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Post by pera »

89a wrote: post #284
theshadow wrote: post #232

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Vim has snippets too. I'm sure there's an Eclipse/Visual Studio plugin that provides the same functionality. There's really nothing revolutionary in here.

Doesn't matter, you'd still have to learn Vim first. Textmate is about bringing unix and scripting power to people who don't have time to learn an esoteric system

> people who don't have time to learn an esoteric system if they had time to learn a programming language why they don't have time to learn how to speak with Vim? also I don't think that vim commands are more "esoteric" than (eg) objective-c and actually, if you are short of time then you should learn to code faster with a faster text editor like Vim (or Emacs of you prefer..)

imo the real problem is laziness

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Post by batista »

mdemare wrote: post #188
batista wrote: post #158

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> This doesn't make much sense. You say it appeared at the right time and was pretty and native on OS X. What better editors deserved the success it had that were available when TextMate was popular? The fact that there wasn't another editor that fulfilled all those "needs" at the time (mainly: simple, native looking) does not mean that it deserved it's success. What I'm saying is, it got its success not because it w…

> The fact that there wasn't another editor that fulfilled all those "needs" at the time (mainly: simple, native looking) does not mean that it deserved it's success. What I'm saying is, it got its success not because it was better than the competition but because there was no competition. What kind of doublespeak is that? If there's a race, and you're the only one who shows up, you deserve to win, period.

>What kind of doublespeak is that? If there's a race, and you're the only one who shows up, you deserve to win, period.

It's not doublespeak, it's common sense. If "you're the only one who shows up" it's not much of a race (or a victory).

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Post by anu_gupta »

nocman wrote: post #177
anu_gupta wrote: post #173

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Yes, you could , you just choose not to.

Do you know all about batista's personal life, all his responsibilities, all of his schedule? While it is possible that he could do the work and choses not to, I don't think you have enough information to say that he definitely can do it and choses not to. People have to prioritize their lives, and there is only so much time to go around. I for one have a thousand things I'd like to do, but personal time limits and h…

You're getting angry about something that you've imagined I've stated when in fact you agree with me.

> People have to prioritize their lives

Yes, totally agree. Prioritisation is inherently about making choices - I'm sure you don't disagree with that?

Don't conflate not wanting to or being unwilling to do something with impossibility. They're very different.

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Post by grandalf »

hexagonal wrote: post #235
grandalf wrote: post #224

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Two points worth mentioning. Emacs 2.4 comes with many features by default that shrink the learning curve. And most importantly, check out Technomancy's emacs starter kit. It even comes with a package that lets Textmate users keep using their familiar keyboard shortcuts if they want.

Not 2.4. 24. You're 22 and a half version numbers short. Emacs is more than 30 years old, remember.

typo :)

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Post by acdha »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #217
acdha wrote: post #179

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Well, except for the slick UI and TextMate's still ahead on features & bundles. ST2 is promising but it's too early to call this race.

I don't see how TM2's UI differs in any meaningful way to say it looks nicer than ST2

Less appearance than quality of implementation: I tried ST2 for a couple months but the random hangs got old (e.g. the file / symbol search would often hang for noticeable periods of time).

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Post by ketralnis »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #107
emehrkay wrote: post #38

I've been using Textmate 2 for the past week or so and I still prefer 1 + missing drawer. For me, the only thing Textmate 1 is missing are split views (something 2 is missing as well). I wonder if there is still enough interest in the app where people will contribute all of the community's desired changes -- I hope there is. Am I one of the only Textmate users who feel that Sublime isn't the right "upgrade"? I much p…

ST2 is native enough for me and cross-platform should be on the list of every programmer's requirements for a text editor. I use Vim on OS X right now and I like it but used ST2 just yesterday (odd timing). I agree with others that it is basically the TM2 we were waiting for.

> cross-platform should be on the list of every programmer's requirements for a text editor

As a member of the set of "every programmer", I have to disagree with this. I develop on the same machine every day. I don't care if my editor is cross-platform. I just want a good editor. It being performant and feeling "nice" for my purposes is way more important to me than being able to use it on machines where I won't ever use it.

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

acdha wrote: post #305
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #217

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I don't see how TM2's UI differs in any meaningful way to say it looks nicer than ST2

Less appearance than quality of implementation: I tried ST2 for a couple months but the random hangs got old (e.g. the file / symbol search would often hang for noticeable periods of time).

You might try it again. I can positively and unexaggeratedly say that I've never had ST2 hang on me.

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Post by sergiotapia »

Camillo wrote: post #137
frou_dh wrote: post #66

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I feel ST2 is healthily past "good enough" as a Mac application. For examples of punting on that responsibility completely, look at JetBrains stuff or MonoDevelop.

I really want to like ST2, because it seems to have the fastest text engine of the current crop of editors; but as a Mac application, it's just barely better than Emacs. 1) The GUI is incomplete: look at the preferences, for instance. To change a setting, you have to open the defaults settings file, find the setting you want, copy it into a different file (user settings), and change it there. Actually, I take it back…

Regarding point 1, that's one of my favorite features. TIL Mac users actually want wizards and gizmos everywhere.

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Post by astrodust »

rpwilcox wrote: post #115
batista wrote: post #89

If we are completely honest, Textmate was always a sub-par editor. No Vim or Emacs style brilliantness, no BBEdit style tons of features and mature engine, no IntelliJ like, er, intelligence, no ST2 comprehensiveness, etc etc. Plus, the Textmate 1.x text engine was probably a mess too -- I remember the very first versions being laggy (and that's coming from someone who doesn't find even Eclipse laggy). That he couldn…

What drew me to TM1 were the several innovative features for the time (mid 2000s) that were promptly copied into other editors (and sometimes improved there): * snippets * fuzzy file finder * project file list * multi-column editing This is in addition to the non-text related good things TM did: grouping languages, snippets and scripts into a single folder, the bundle community, etc. However, those 4 features were wh…

The fact that the file list correlated to the contents of a directory was a huge deal. XCode and other editors require "projects" to be assembled. TextMate could also ignore certain paths if configured correctly, cleaning up projects considerably.

I used SubEthaEdit prior to TextMate and was quite happy, but it lacked multi-file editing and tabs.

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Post by stefanix »

theshadow wrote: post #232
techiferous wrote: post #229

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Community effects can never bring a poor technology to the top. They can keep a great technology from overtaking a good technology, though. But TextMate's success was not only from the community support, but also from its capabilities. Snippets were one of its cool features, for example, that helped it gain success.

Vim has snippets too. I'm sure there's an Eclipse/Visual Studio plugin that provides the same functionality. There's really nothing revolutionary in here.

textmate is appealing because it always had a great default configuration. For many people getting old-school editors to play well required too much config ninjaing.
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