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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by simion314 »

maxlin wrote: post #237
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

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maybe watch some real news not only Fjox or X. I think they filtered out reality for your account.

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Post by Spooky23 »

regularization wrote: post #211
wyldfire wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The agenda that Trump advanced during campaigns was not "cut ourselves off from the rest of the world". Do his supporters really want this? What's the rationale he advances for this stance and the tarrifs? What would a president who was beholden to Russians do once elected? I mean -- what's the point of provoking Canada, of all countries? Canada as the 51st US state would be the new most populous state and would caus…

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Assuming you are a not a bot, you are the example of the kind of useful idiot that is a part of what you try to brush off.

You probably can’t name 5 things that the Green Party stands for and how they align with Jill Stein.

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Post by itsanaccount »

lolinder wrote: post #258
samcheng wrote: post #234

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The best explanation I've heard is that this (almost) half of the US population doesn't care if it hurts a bit, as long as it hurts the other half of the US population more.

No, that's not it. I'm writing this from rural America in deep Trump territory, and people here are already struggling and have been for years. From their perspective they've been left out of the benefits of the global economy—the big cities and the coasts might be better off, but the middle of the country wants to go back to when they had opportunities and jobs for working class Americans. They're almost certainly w…

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Post by sho_hn »

epistasis wrote: post #266
ta988 wrote: post #228

And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don't get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources. I am re…

I always thought that the American Empire would be dismantled when it elected a leftist steeped in anti-imperialist ideology who wanted to better the world. Nope, turns out that the American Empire is being dismantled by something else entirely. A subset of the populace that feels jealous of those with more and scared of social change, reacting to try to hurt their fellow country men? A megalomaniac leader who is som…

I think the meta is studying history, and wondering if any slide toward facism has ever been successfully stopped in its tracks without being beaten down in wars.

The two sort-of examples in Western history I can think of are Spain after Franco, and the UK in the 1930s. In Spain a monarch's left-shift was perhaps the deciding and surprising variable, and in the UK it was a powerful civil rights movement.

The US has neither, so I don't know what to expect. The two-party system also makes it very hard to bootstrap meaningful change, since both parties tend to try and chase the Overton window, but only one is really pushing to move it right now.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

mcculley wrote: post #250
maxlin wrote: post #237

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As a U.S. citizen, I don’t want to “bend the knee”. I want to maintain the Pax Americana that keeps us rich and safe. Ceding global leadership to Russia and China and Europe is a myopic move.

How is global leadership being ceded to either Russia or China? That would only happen if European countries prefer building economic and strategic ties with China over the US. If that happened it would mostly be revealing the true colors of Europe, choosing to side with a dictatorship and system that has killed tens of millions. As for Europe itself, I doubt Europe will be able to lead anything given its economic condition. These changes essentially just force people to resolve this one conflict.

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Post by yowlingcat »

ctack wrote: post #84
actionfromafar wrote: post #51

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What would you do if you were a team of US oligarchs with connections to the administration and wanted to increase your share of, and power over, the domestic cake? Tell me it doesn't fit. Edit: this story just dropped off the main page. Currently sitting at 85 points and 77 comments. It had position 2 or so, now it has position 79.

Suspicious that it’s not on the front page.

I don't think Hacker News is trying to be Reddit.

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Post by barbazoo »

rectang wrote: post #267
samcheng wrote: post #234

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The best explanation I've heard is that this (almost) half of the US population doesn't care if it hurts a bit, as long as it hurts the other half of the US population more.

Playing only zero-sum games. A positive sum outcome, where both of us benefit, is inconceivable!

Take a step back and consider how hardened the divide is between “the two sides”. It should have never come that far, how are you gonna keep national unity in a situation like that!? Are there other first world countries that are that divided?

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Post by nicbou »

TylerLives wrote: post #263
wyldfire wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The agenda that Trump advanced during campaigns was not "cut ourselves off from the rest of the world". Do his supporters really want this? What's the rationale he advances for this stance and the tarrifs? What would a president who was beholden to Russians do once elected? I mean -- what's the point of provoking Canada, of all countries? Canada as the 51st US state would be the new most populous state and would caus…

Not sure about Canada, but Trump's actions will make a lot more sense if you consider that to American rightists, American leftists are a much bigger enemy than Russians. I think the same is true in the opposite direction. These 2 groups can't stand each other and often sabotage the other's efforts. We can put that aside and ask what's best for the world or America, but as long as there is this hatred between the par…

> to American rightists, American leftists are a much bigger enemy than Russians.

This reminds me of France in the Second World War. My (questionable) understanding is that they were more worried about the enemies at home than the ones across the border.

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Post by kragen »

bootsmann wrote: post #217
throwaway_20357 wrote: post #90

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I'm sceptical. Recent movements in Germany point into the opposite direction or rather a continuation of wishful thinking. Yes, a lot of debt-funded defence investment is coming. They also promised some investment in "infrastructure". At the same time the debt increase will delay reforms that are overdue for 20 years and longer. There were already calls that, now, with all brakes off, we can increase rather than curb…

European manufacturing is more productive than US manufacturing. The US productivity advantage comes almost entirely from the US' strong tech (as in software) sector.

Tech (as in software) is what's being cut off to Ukraine, and tech (as in software, MEMS gyros, and GNSS) is how Ukraine keeps blowing up US$3M T-90 tanks with three or four US$500 FPV drones. So I think it's highly relevant to the question of sovereignty.
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