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McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by relaxing »

grues-dinner wrote: post #201
fakedang wrote: post #108

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> lot of ppl on the left mad at billionaires too Seems the left were always in favor of Luigi. I'm more surprised by the right in the US. The days just after the shooting, they were all in favor too, but after their media pundits took an opposing stance, they joined the bandwagon and are now ranting about "muh poor CEO". Bunch of sheep I suppose.

The period when people have their own reactions, followed by a sudden reset and synchronisation once the taking points get assembled and is really quite fascinating. I would really love to know how centralised the process of defining talking points is, or if it is, itself, emergent behaviour of a distributed system resulting in coherent outcomes.

Grab a copy of “Manufacturing Consent” - Chomsky. Read with a critical mind.

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Post by tdullien »

shuckles wrote: post #222
bdangubic wrote: post #65

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I am sorry to hear this. I would have gone full Luigi on someone if this happened to me

Since when were casual references to murdering people acceptable on here?

Or casual references to stomping live turtles.

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Post by tdullien »

JPKab wrote: post #37
jmcgough wrote: post #28

A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

My mom got hooked in 99 after she slipped on ice at her house in Bluefield, WV. Became a full blown addict after getting prescribed for the subsequent back injury. She lost everything, disappeared, became a homeless addict drifting from DC to Baltimore to NYC and back, until she died of an overdose of heroin in a parking lot of a 7-11 in DC in December 2015. Her story and the impact on me and my 4 siblings is a drop…

Thank you for sharing this, and I am not sure if sending a hug is appropriate. Reading your post makes me angry and sad.

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Post by DonHopkins »

theoreticalmal wrote: post #169
throwaway562if1 wrote: post #133

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It's trivial to find who to blame - just follow the money. Hit the investors with sentences proportional to their stake of ownership, and just like magic, executives who enable criminal behavior will become rather less popular and internal oversight much more so. Of course this will never happen, since the lack of culpability is the point.

I’d really rather not jail people who didn’t do anything illegal

Is that why you think exonerating, platforming, and worshipping Kyle Rittenhouse is justified? Because you think murdering innocent people in the name of racism should be legal, as well as mass murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people by denying health care in the name of massive profits, earning $10 million per year plus $64 million in UnitedHealth Group stock as blood money?

Please explain your previous statement you posted on that topic, which I asked you to explain but you failed to answer, because I really want to understand how the twisted minds of people like you work, and how you justify such extreme cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, blatant racism, and cold blooded profiteering murderers, including Brian Thompson, Kyle Rittenhouse, Daniel Penny, and George Zimmerman?

Daily Show Accuses Right of Hypocrisy With Montage of Pundits Condemning CEO Killer and Celebrating Kyle Rittenhouse:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/daily-show-accuses-right-of-hypo...

The Daily Show posted a video of right-wing pundits condemning the praise of the CEO shooter, and juxtaposed it with footage of Kyle Rittenhouse being praised.

The killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York last week has controversially been celebrated by some who are frustrated with the state of the health insurance industry in the country. That praise has been met with harsh criticism from both Republicans and Democrats.

On Wednesday, The Daily Show published a montage of Fox News pundits criticizing those who are praising accused shooter Luigi Mangione. Directly next to montage, however, was footage of Rittenhouse being introduced at a Turning Point USA event — giving the impression that the pundits are actually calling out the praise for the 21-year-old who killed two protestors in Kenosha, Wisconsin in 2020.

“Fox News talking about Luigi Mangione, but make the footage Kyle Rittenhouse,” the tweet said.

The video began with Turning Point founder Charlie Kirk saying on stage, “Let’s get loud for Kyle Rittenhouse.” Seconds later, a clip of Sean Hannity talking about Mangione’s praise was shown.

“Murder, assassination, vigilantism,” Hannity said. “It’s wrong; it’s evil; it’s despicable… [He] was no hero… Cheering for the murder of an unarmed man beyond sick.”

While the Hannity clip played, the scene at the Turning Point event was jubilant as the crowd cheered for Rittenhouse’s arrival.

“For anyone that sympathizes and empathizes with a murderer,” Fox News contributor Nicole Parker said, “that is completely upside-down in our American society. There are people that need to re-evaluate their inner soul and their moral compass. There is nothing acceptable to me about that.”

Then, one of Kirk’s colleagues began chanting, “Kyle, Kyle, Kyle,” on the Turning Point stage.

“To sympathize with them,” Parker continued, “is just disgusting.”

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Post by ternnoburn »

dartos wrote: post #202
ternnoburn wrote: post #72

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The rich and powerful are pretty famous for not saving the consequences of their actions, I'm not sure what you are implying....

Yeah, that fact is evident if you look at the news… ever… Hunter Biden pardoned, Trump’s convictions not resulting in punishment, high ranking executives getting bonuses for layoffs, etc…

Rajup had posted about a CEO getting unalived, as an example of the rich facing consequences. I had misread your post as agreeing with him, like this Luigi thing was a continuation of a phenomena.

My bad. I see you were disagreeing with the poster sarcastically.

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Post by Tanjreeve »

shuckles wrote: post #222
bdangubic wrote: post #65

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I am sorry to hear this. I would have gone full Luigi on someone if this happened to me

Since when were casual references to murdering people acceptable on here?

No idea. Apparently if you're doing it through a limited liability corporation and have the right jargon in your PowerPoints no-one bats an eyelid.

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Post by roenxi »

wrs wrote: post #286
roenxi wrote: post #164

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I don't think anyone is questioning the existence of the institutions; armies can do what armies want for example and there isn't much anyone can do about it unless the army agrees with their plans. Can't get rid of armies though, we just do what we can and live with the residual risk. The issue is more that in this case the institutions did act, in a panicky and random fashion that seems to, on balance, not have hel…

It seemed like you were questioning the need for the institution, but public health is as needed as defense, so maybe you’re equating them. You left out vaccinations (obviously effective) and mask mandates (somewhat effective but certainly falls under minor inconvenience) — which are pretty standard public health playbook, so I’m assuming those aren’t considered part of the madness. The lockdowns were pretty crazy, b…

> You left out vaccinations (obviously effective) and mask mandates (somewhat effective but certainly falls under minor inconvenience)

The authoritarian tactics used to impose both of those were ineffective, or at least can't be justified on the evidence. Otherwise all the people trying to justify their brush with their inner Nazi would be able to put up a good argument for what they advocated for.

Both measures failed to stop the spread of COVID, the evidence they had any effect on the number of people who eventually caught it is hard to some up with even as a thought experiment (elsewhere in the thread Retric theorised that the change in viral load would be significant, which is a weak attempt but the best I've seen so far, and also sounds hard to test for). In many cases the vaccines explicit weren't checked for effects on transmission.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

roenxi wrote: post #308
wrs wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seemed like you were questioning the need for the institution, but public health is as needed as defense, so maybe you’re equating them. You left out vaccinations (obviously effective) and mask mandates (somewhat effective but certainly falls under minor inconvenience) — which are pretty standard public health playbook, so I’m assuming those aren’t considered part of the madness. The lockdowns were pretty crazy, b…

> You left out vaccinations (obviously effective) and mask mandates (somewhat effective but certainly falls under minor inconvenience) The authoritarian tactics used to impose both of those were ineffective, or at least can't be justified on the evidence. Otherwise all the people trying to justify their brush with their inner Nazi would be able to put up a good argument for what they advocated for. Both measures fail…

Calling that Nazi-like is just pathetic.
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