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Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#301

This made me think of one thing that I've wanted to see for a long time with browsers: split-pane view. In other words, the ability to see two browser sessions, side-by-side, with a vertical split between them. Two viewports, each with their group of tabs. The same type of view you can get in, for example, Notepad++ with its "Tab>Move to Other View", or Visual Studio's "Tab>New Vertical Document Group". I frequently…

Edge has this, and vertical tabs too.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Screenshot: https://imgur.com/hoOlRDy Happy that this will finally be a feature of FF. Still pretty useless for me, though, for these reasons: - There's an empty tab bar shown at the top of the window. - Currently, there's now way to enable a wider sidebar that shows tab titles, too.

> Currently, there's now way to enable a wider sidebar that shows tab titles, too.

I think this is a bug, I had the same issue but then went to "Customize Sidebar" and toggled "Sidebar settings" to "Always show" and now I see titles, regardless of which sidebar show setting I have

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#303

How about an option to disable tabs altogether and use a "one-tab-window" instead? Like we used to have before. I already have a WM able to handle this. I don't need another level of window management with its own logic and shortcuts.

There's a setting "Open links in tabs instead of new windows" which should help your use case

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Screens are usually wider than most web pages usefully support. This uses up space that would normally be wasted. 2. Most screens are wider than they're high. This is especially true of laptops. So using vertical space for a horizontal strip really eats into the vertical real estate. 3. Most written scripts are horizontal. As a result, lists are usually arranged vertically. This aligns with how lists in nearly eve…

6. It's the only alternative if you want to keep UI elements out of your title bar.

7. Vertical tabs can easily have nesting (subtrees), just like those file manager left hand side windows. So you can structure your tabs better.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#305

I'd love to use Firefox, but I've been missing three (subjectively, for me) important features: 1. vertical tabs (now happening, yay!) 2. either tab grouping or workspaces (brave/edge vs. vivaldi style) 3. easy sync-and-restore of tabs/groups/workspaces across my devices Do you know of a good solution for 2 and more importantly, 3?

1. Sideberry.

2. Sideberry.

3. Firefox Sync.

Firefox has had these features since at least 5 years ago (#3) and probably 15 years ago (#1, #2 through Tree Style Tabs).

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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post #294

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/hoOlRDy Happy that this will finally be a feature of FF. Still pretty useless for me, though, for these reasons: - There's an empty tab bar shown at the top of the window. - Currently, there's now way to enable a wider sidebar that shows tab titles, too.

> Currently, there's now way to enable a wider sidebar that shows tab titles, too. I think this is a bug, I had the same issue but then went to "Customize Sidebar" and toggled "Sidebar settings" to "Always show" and now I see titles, regardless of which sidebar show setting I have

That did the trick, thank you!

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

#307

Cool. But dammit why aren't tabs more modifiable. I want to rename them. I want to assign an icon. I am okay if a tab takes up two vertical lines to make it entirely readable. There was an element of something really useful in MS 'Metro' UI -- just the fact that there could be variations in size of target/icon/links. I currently 'pin' my mail and notes tab. These exist as specific functional tabs -- let me style them…

Why don't you use bookmarks?

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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I used to be a tree-style-tabs power user but at some point I went back to regular tabs. I find that the amount of horizontal tab space is pretty close to the actual number of things I can usefully have open at once. Seeing the tabs get "squished" is my reminder to close the ones I no longer need. I was using the tab-state as a sort of short-term working memory and I don't think it was doing me any favours, particula…

I actively use tree style tabs, and have dozens to hundreds. With auto tab discard, it's not taxing. This is because I basically use tabs as bookmarks relevant to a project or subject area. Bookmarks are also tree-structured, but are much more high-ceremony to create. To my mind, tabs and bookmarks should meld into one. If you don't close a tab actively, it stays deactivated, its tree likely gets collapsed until need…

I'm using TST too, but instead of grouping relevant projects into one branch, I'm using the Simple Tab Groups extension to switch between long-term projects. It simply replaces one set of tabs with another. I have a few groups related to work and several groups related to personal stuff (homelab, Hackintosh, Clojure, finance, etc.). I don't access some of these groups for months, but once I have a bit of free time, they are just two clicks away.

Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Found a recent screenshot of it on Reddit. Looks good, I hope it has similar nesting like Tree Style Tab though. In my opinion that is still the best implementation of this idea across all browsers. Firefox' UI has kinda stagnated. It's not like other browsers are far ahead – Chrome doesn't have vertical tabs either – but it does have groups and profiles. They really need to get out of this stale and boring state and…

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Re: Firefox Sidebar and Vertical tabs: try them out

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a catch-22 because if you stop innovating your UI for 20 years and alternatives come up with something people actually like then you will lose users to them and slowly fade into irrelevancy. Firefox succeeded because it was a fresh take on the entire browser UX at a time when Internet Explorer had been stagnant for half a decade.

As I remember it, Firefox succeeded because it fundamentally worked well and was very configurable, not because of the UX. The others at the time were bad at both of those things. The UX of Firefox was (and, I'd argue, still is) not great, but it made up for that by being configurable enough that you could fix it for yourself.

That's not how I remember it.

Firefox (Phoenix / Firebird) initially got its userbase from the Mozilla userbase which was this capable browser with many features and flexibility (extensions), but it was bloated, slow, with a kinda outdated (non-native) UI. Firefox's differing feature was its lightness and (native-like, per-platform) UI freshness, not configurability.

FF success against IE was mainly caused by Microsoft completely dropping the ball by simply not developing IE for a couple of years. I think one of the elementary features which has driven mass FF adoption was tabbing support, which IE6 didn't have.

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