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Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Yes, but there is always the second half of “adapt or die” to consider

Yes, that's how evolution works. Those with a survival advantage succeed. Mother Nature doesn't hand out consolation prizes.

It sounds like you're advocating we don't compete and instead just die/go extinct

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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In the sense of "we'll bring Democracy to your country", yes. ;-)

Please do bring democracy to my country of birth, yes. And I mean it. Right now it pretty much is held occupied by brute force. 90% of population would welcome ANY change.

I was referring to the Resource Curse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse#Democracy_and_h...

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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Roughly what how much volume would 15m tons of pegmatite take up? I have no intuitive sense of scale with these things.

Rocks tend to be 5-10x denser than water, so assume 2 million cube meters. That is just 2 square kilometers 1 meter high, so not mountains or so. As a comparison, for a large iron mine they dig up many billions of tons of rock, and that is for very cheap iron, so you wouldn't need a very large operation to dig this up.

Useful tool to reason about this. Thanks!

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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They're already building a pilot facility to do so: https://www.theengineer.co.uk/content/news/kaust-spinout-wil... Lithium can be a lot more prevalent in some waters, they are already competitive commercial mining operations from briny lake beds. Utah's Salt Lake for example is 21ppm and is mined at $2/kg

But that is lakes, not seas. Lakes are extremely small compared to the seas so doesn't hold that much lithium so you can't really scale that up. To get the amount you talked about we would need to start pumping water from the depths of the seas, since most of it is there.

The red sea alone, which is what they're using, is about 0.1% of the world's water, which is 230 million tons of lithium, which is ten times the reserves we have from land. There's plenty.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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So the rate of change of demand is decreasing. Decreasing rate of change is the definition slowing down. Although I agree that most people probably misinterpret the phrase as you say. (It seems other replies have had that interpretation.)

Increasing less fast is not the definition of slowing down, it's the definition of increase increasing less fast.

> Increasing less fast is not the definition of slowing down

Increasing position less fast is the definition of slowing down, as I said. Increasing speed less fast is, of course, not the definition of slowing down, it's decelerating; we agree on this.

But you are equating demand to "speed" (rate-of-change of position), and I am equating demand to "position" (not a rate-of-change). If demand is analogous to speed, then what is is measuring the rate-of-change of?

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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So the rate of change of demand is decreasing. Decreasing rate of change is the definition slowing down. Although I agree that most people probably misinterpret the phrase as you say. (It seems other replies have had that interpretation.)

If you reduce acceleration, your speed is still increasing if you still have positive acceleration. This is still speeding up, not slowing down.

If rate-of-change of demand is acceleration, that means demand itself is speed and is measuring a rate-of-change. What is demand measuring the rate of change of?

Acceleration decreased such that it is negative. Negative acceleration is "slowing down."

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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As someone from Myanmar, this piques my interest

It's the new oil, so I would be careful. Democracy and camaraderie and all those greater good things tend to come where the cheap resources are.

it's okay, we are already doing pretty bad

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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If you reduce acceleration, your speed is still increasing if you still have positive acceleration. This is still speeding up, not slowing down.

If rate-of-change of demand is acceleration, that means demand itself is speed and is measuring a rate-of-change. What is demand measuring the rate of change of? Acceleration decreased such that it is negative. Negative acceleration is "slowing down."

> demand itself is speed

Ok, let’s substitute that into the original comment, instead of:

> demand has slowed down recently

we get:

> speed has slowed down recently

Nothing to do with the rate of change of speed, just speed itself. In other words:

In terms of _speed_, this would indicate that _speed_ was once higher and is now lower.

Let’s translate that same sentence back substituting speed with demand:

In terms of _demand_, this would indicate that _demand_ was once higher and is now lower.

That statement cannot be true as 2023 demand was the highest ever.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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If rate-of-change of demand is acceleration, that means demand itself is speed and is measuring a rate-of-change. What is demand measuring the rate of change of? Acceleration decreased such that it is negative. Negative acceleration is "slowing down."

> demand itself is speed Ok, let’s substitute that into the original comment, instead of: > demand has slowed down recently we get: > speed has slowed down recently Nothing to do with the rate of change of speed, just speed itself. In other words: In terms of _speed_, this would indicate that _speed_ was once higher and is now lower. Let’s translate that same sentence back substituting speed with demand: In terms of…

I think you misread my comment. Demand is not analogous to speed, it's analogous to position. I was asking how you were relating demand to speed, in your comment. It may be easier if you start using "rate-of-change of demand" instead of speed.

Re: Thailand discovers nearly 15M tonnes of lithium

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> demand itself is speed Ok, let’s substitute that into the original comment, instead of: > demand has slowed down recently we get: > speed has slowed down recently Nothing to do with the rate of change of speed, just speed itself. In other words: In terms of _speed_, this would indicate that _speed_ was once higher and is now lower. Let’s translate that same sentence back substituting speed with demand: In terms of…

I think you misread my comment. Demand is not analogous to speed, it's analogous to position. I was asking how you were relating demand to speed, in your comment. It may be easier if you start using "rate-of-change of demand" instead of speed.

When we talk about supply and demand for cars, it has a time element. Units per year, units per quarter and so on. It is analogous to speed. Doing anything else would make it impossible to plan the supply chain.

Where it could be different is in places like power generation. You might talk about peak demand in Watts, and daily demand in watt-hours.

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