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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by majewsky »

askonomm wrote: post #214
zamadatix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules are really surprisingly encouraging about notification of cookies to the point it's quite easy to legitimately need to notify and gain consent about something non-spying related requires consent. E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session (i.e. it should still save for a month later) then the official EU analysis of thi…

Last I read the law, any cookie used for the functioning of the site, and not for the tracking of the user, is perfectly fine without a cookie banner.

I was going to agree with you, but in researching this, it does seem that GP is right. This is the source that I found: https://gdpr.eu/cookies/

As far as I can see, this is a resource funded by the EU, so not quite authoritative, but good enough IMO. They say:

> To comply with the regulations governing cookies under the GDPR and the ePrivacy Directive you must: Receive users’ consent before you use any cookies except strictly necessary cookies. [...]

This sounds like what you're saying, but this verbiage is based on a classification of cookies further above where a distinction is made:

> Strictly necessary cookies — These cookies are essential for you to browse the website and use its features, such as accessing secure areas of the site. [...] > > Preferences cookies — Also known as “functionality cookies,” these cookies allow a website to remember choices you have made in the past, like what language you prefer, what region you would like weather reports for [...]

So "strictly necessary" really only means "the site breaks without this", e.g. a session cookie set by a login page or the shopping cart example that the quoted article explicitly calls out, too. Presentational settings like display density, font size, dark/light mode and such seem to require consent.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

michaelmrose wrote: post #140
bluefirebrand wrote: post #132

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Showing you your viewing history would be an "unnecessary to the core functionality of an online store" feature and require explicit consent to track. I think it would actually be very difficult to demonstrate that this tracker is absolutely required for the online store to function.

Most stores suggest products to buyers

And yet it's still not a vital part of running a store.

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Post by beebeepka »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #108
blindhippo wrote: post #102

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I gave up trying to use a mouse on OSX years ago (the acceleration curve causes physical pain for me) and leaned into what Apple did right: trackpads. I got an apple trackpad for my desk setup, and otherwise use the built in trackpad on the macbook. Doesn't help for those who need a mouse device (cad/design/photo-editing, etc), but for what I use it for (software dev/ops work), it's great. Trackpads in a windows ecos…

YMMV, but I've found that using very high resolution (~3000 DPI) "gaming" mice works very well under MacOS. This works well with my tendency to not move my hand very much when mousing, but still expect the pointer to go to the other side of the screen. Plus, some of those mice have on-board memory which allows customizing their buttons without having some crappy app running in the background (Logitech G vs normal Log…

So, that's why my mouse feels totally fine on macOS. Gaming peripherals the win

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Post by type0 »

globular-toast wrote: post #225
gloosx wrote: post #187

I remember the first time I used a Windows system last year after tens of years on Linux/OSX, and it was really a somewhat strange experience: the moment I connected the ethernet cable I was instantly looking at random flashy news articles from another part of the world. Not in the browser, not in some kind of "News" app, but right in my taskbar! The most amazing part is that I did not even have to click on it – the…

I'm glad I saw this coming over ten years ago and ditched Windows back then. I probably told people at the time and they laughed. Imagine having advertising in your own home. Ugh!

> Imagine having advertising in your own home

That's why people continue to use Windows Home and if you want to get pro level of ads in your OS you would use Windows Pro /s

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Post by Gud »

pavlov wrote: post #283
hurril wrote: post #274

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macOS does not have a task bar and that paragraph specifically says that the flashing items did not even show in a news app. The criticism of Apple here says that they have a news app and that it shows news. It is not the same thing and it won't be the same thing no matter how many times you say it. It simply isn't!

The iPhone home screen performs the same function as the Windows Start menu. A news widget on one is the same as a news widget on the other.

Smartphones are not desktop computers and they behave differently.

That a smartphone comes preloaded with some news app is not unexpected behavior. That a desktop operating system is not "clean" from first install is absolutely not acceptable.

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Post by Agingcoder »

kalleboo wrote: post #259
Agingcoder wrote: post #203

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You’re comparing apples and oranges here. Independently of the operating system , your 70g process might have an actual working set of 70 g, while the 55g might have had a working set of 1 gig. Furthermore your Vm was running most likely in a shared environment, your swap partition running on shared not super fast io, etc - you may not even have had 64g of ram ( despite your Vm claiming the contrary ). Your Mac on th…

> swap partition This is the difference. Linux has a swap partition. You fill up the dedicated swap partition (which you decide when you partition your drive and is unusable for anything else, so you want to keep it small) and boom you're out of memory, OOM starts killing random stuff. macOS uses a dynamic swap file (technically its multiple files) on your boot drive that starts at 0 bytes that grows until your main…

That’s not what OP is saying. If your program gets shot by the oom killer your machine doesn’t lock up. OP is complaining that their machine locks up. What you’re describing is a reasonable scenario on Linux too that I’ve seen many times. On a mac things will go wrong when you run out of disk in general instead of running out of swap , but your process will fail eventually. Computing resources are finite. Sure there’s a bit more leeway ( assuming you’re not short on disk space … ) but given how the problem is described it’s very not clear that’s the issue.

I ´m an hpc engineer , specialize in performance work, have been using Linux since 1996, and also have a Mac. I like both. I understand these are not technical arguments, but my point is there are no easy answers when it comes to performance work. You need to measure, know exactly what’s going on, compare apples with apples, and then you can draw conclusions. In that particular case, there simply isn’t enough details to prove anything.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

Mindless2112 wrote: post #2

> Microsoft's post notes that Windows uses the region picked during Windows install to offer the EEA-exclusive options. Only a PC reset can undo the options. Looks like I will be telling Windows that I live in the EEA next time I install.

It already works to select "English (Europe)" as the region. The bloatware isn't defined for that region so it doesn't include it.

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/08/06/you-can-install-win...

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Post by zamadatix »

mrweasel wrote: post #190
zamadatix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules are really surprisingly encouraging about notification of cookies to the point it's quite easy to legitimately need to notify and gain consent about something non-spying related requires consent. E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session (i.e. it should still save for a month later) then the official EU analysis of thi…

> E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session I'm not entirely sure that this is true. You can implement a "shopping cart" on your site, with a session cookie without needing to have a "cookie notification", so depending on circumstance I'd argue that settings might be allowed as well. Or you can just display the cookie informatio…

"and you want to store that more than a session" -> "...with a session cookie without needing to have a "cookie notification"". Session cookies are fine, the example was for a preference beyond the session.

"Or you can just display the cookie information along with the settings it self, it doesn't actually need to be a popup." this is true, you can put the information for each cookie in every place that the UI interacts with the cookie or you can put it in a dedicated popup or however else you can figure out to do it. So long as you notify and require (informed) interaction with the associated interaction you're good.

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Post by zamadatix »

askonomm wrote: post #214
zamadatix wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rules are really surprisingly encouraging about notification of cookies to the point it's quite easy to legitimately need to notify and gain consent about something non-spying related requires consent. E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session (i.e. it should still save for a month later) then the official EU analysis of thi…

Last I read the law, any cookie used for the functioning of the site, and not for the tracking of the user, is perfectly fine without a cookie banner.

https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinio...

3.6 UI customization cookies:

"These customization functionalities are thus explicitly enabled by the user of an information society service (e.g. by clicking on button or ticking a box) although in the absence of additional information the intention of the user could not be interpreted as a preference to remember that choice for longer than a browser session (or no more than a few additional hours). As such only session (or short term) cookies storing such information are exempted under CRITERION B. The addition of additional information in a prominent location (e.g. “uses cookies” written next to the flag) would constitute sufficient information for valid consent to remember the user’s preference for a longer duration, negating the requirement to apply an exemption in this case."

In particular, criterion A "functioning of the site" is a lot more narrow than your interpretation. It sounds like "oh, they need this to use the site's functions" but it really describes is functionality more like "you can't use the site at all without setting this cookie because you couldn't authenticate" and criterion B "for service explicitly requested" has more limitations (like lasting beyond session).

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Post by kalleboo »

Agingcoder wrote: post #306
kalleboo wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> swap partition This is the difference. Linux has a swap partition. You fill up the dedicated swap partition (which you decide when you partition your drive and is unusable for anything else, so you want to keep it small) and boom you're out of memory, OOM starts killing random stuff. macOS uses a dynamic swap file (technically its multiple files) on your boot drive that starts at 0 bytes that grows until your main…

That’s not what OP is saying. If your program gets shot by the oom killer your machine doesn’t lock up. OP is complaining that their machine locks up. What you’re describing is a reasonable scenario on Linux too that I’ve seen many times. On a mac things will go wrong when you run out of disk in general instead of running out of swap , but your process will fail eventually. Computing resources are finite. Sure there’…

I guess I've just been unlucky because the OOM killer has always made bizarre decisions on my machines and killed something more critical than the runaway process (or just not worked at all, not sure what the deal was is that, I never get logs). Every time I looked it up online the replies were just "you need to enough RAM to run your process, idiot, you should never need swap, swap is bad"

If the normal case is that the OOM killer just kills the out-of-control process, then I forfeit my argument.

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