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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by jfhufl »

extr0pian wrote: post #206
procarch2019 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think anyone using outlook is probably using it out of necessity for work. Not everyone can just jump to Linux when they work in a company.

I'm using Thunderbird on Linux with an Outlook work account. Granted, I have to pay for 'Owl for Exchange' for it work, but I absolutely hate the Outlook program, I'm willing to fork out the $10/yr of my own money just to avoid it.

If you still have IMAP access, thunderbird supports OAuth2 for connecting to O365 IMAP. tbsync for calendar access. Seems to work pretty well currently.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by Animats »

gtirloni wrote: post #289
II2II wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it is Linux per se that is better as open source software. It seems to support a much more competitive market, which is something that busines seem to shun in their never ending lust for growth. And there are good checks and balances for open source. Just consider what happens when a project becomes too arrogant: if a new independent project isn't spawned, one based upon their existing code base will.

If Red Hat or Canonical were in the business of making their own web browsers, I have no doubt we would see similar behavior in RHEL or Ubuntu LTS.

Canonical already did that, when they dropped Flatpak support to force people to go through their "Snap Store".

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by _Algernon_ »

procarch2019 wrote: post #63
bbotond wrote: post #25

I switched to Linux 4 years ago because of these dark patterns. No regrets.

I think anyone using outlook is probably using it out of necessity for work. Not everyone can just jump to Linux when they work in a company.

Doesn't Outlook have a web version?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by trelane »

buro9 wrote: post #229
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

Or you could run Linux on Linux hardware and get the full hardware support and sweet battery life without the Microsoft spyware.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by SebastianKra »

acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are.

Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS must be opened with a right-click.

Safari suggestions are also a great example: So far, I like them in iOS 17, since they can also provide direct links to useful sites such as Wikipedia. But don't doubt for a second, that taking traffic away from Google was the primary goal here.

Microsoft isn't so smart. Most users, including non-technical, can see through their attempts.

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

OJFord wrote: post #273
buro9 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

How are you supposed to discover and use WSL? I got fed up with trying to run Fusion360 on Linux, no longer had a Mac, and reignited my long disused Windows installation recently. Updated and restarted. Looked around for WSL, nothing. Searched online, loads of blog spam of mixed helpfulness, no way of telling (for me, new to it) if they were v1 or v2, no basic information like they're talking about Ubuntu but is that…

Open a terminal and type “wsl”, it will tell you what to do from there. It’s also easily available in the MS App Store without an account.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by buro9 »

0xffff2 wrote: post #281
buro9 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

What is the benefit of doing this over simply installing Firefox on Windows? After you download the Firefox installer, you're done with Windows "messing" with you.

I leave few things on Windows as Microsoft have opinions, and then OSQuery gives IT admins opinions.

I prefer as few outside opinions on what I run as possible, so I only leave Chrome and VSCode in Windows and everything else is in Linux.

I had run Linux for years, but whilst I still have Linux on desktop machines I leave Windows on my laptop as it truly gives me 8-9h battery life and Linux only gives me a matter of a few hours tops.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by bilegeek »

skeaker wrote: post #292
frob wrote: post #4

Windows is just full of hostile, anti-user patterns these days. I've considered building a windows box just to have a gaming rig multiple times over the last few years, but every time an article like this or their crusade against Chrome reminds me that Bill Gates is still the same anti-trust monster he was in the 90s.

I wonder why in these threads nobody ever says to just pirate Windows. It's not hard to do. Sometimes people will float security concerns but it's a safe process if you just load an official ISO and then crack it, and even if it were questionable on the security front it's not like you're doing anything that really needs that sort of security if you're just playing video games. If Windows is going to make itself mand…

Because that's not objecting; you're still feeding into the power Windows has over computing.

Bill Gates said so himself in 2007: "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not,"[1]

I'm not pretending that the intervening 16 years hasn't changed things; I am happily gaming exclusively on Linux after all, something most people didn't truly expect back then. But that statement remains true regardless.

[1]https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007...

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

SebastianKra wrote: post #305
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

also denying full access to pencil api so that 3rd party pencils cannot compete with the official ones.

and lack of user profiles on ipads so they cannot be easily shared among family.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by Quarrelsome »

userbinator wrote: post #10

Microsoft is always striving to improve and streamline our product experiences—offering a new way to use the classic Microsoft Outlook app on Windows and the Microsoft Edge web browser. to help you stay engaged in conversations as you browse the web. I wonder if the people who write this sort of BS-filled prose really believe in what they're writing. To be completely honest, the style almost sounds like LLM output.

Its the sort of bare-faced lying that is genuinely offensive to me and just swooshes over the head of most which just makes me all the more irate.
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