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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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You like restoring all your applications by hand every time you have to run Software Update?

I reboot because I want a clean slate. Otherwise, I put the machine to sleep.

Or when you need to restart the machine because of a low-level software update... or because something has gone wrong with the software or the hardware.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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OneNote only comes with Microsoft Office. Which you can also purchase for Mac. Xcode is free. A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. Want to release trusted apps on Windows that don't throw up scary looking security warnings to your users that download them? Guess you'll need to pay $299 a year to Verisign or some other CA for that privilege. Gatekeeper is actua…

> A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. According to Gruber, signing OSX apps will be free (which is sensible: it's really a service to Apple )

Sorry if I wasn't clear. It still costs $99 for an ADC account to release signed apps through the Mac app store, however, now with Gatekeeper you will also have a free option in case you want to distribute signed apps on your own.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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OneNote only comes with Microsoft Office. Which you can also purchase for Mac. Xcode is free. A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. Want to release trusted apps on Windows that don't throw up scary looking security warnings to your users that download them? Guess you'll need to pay $299 a year to Verisign or some other CA for that privilege. Gatekeeper is actua…

> A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. According to Gruber, signing OSX apps will be free (which is sensible: it's really a service to Apple )

Sorry if I wasn't clear. It still costs $99 for an ADC account to release signed apps through the Mac app store, however, now with Gatekeeper you will also have a free option in case you want to distribute signed apps on your own.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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I really hope they don't try to converge the interfaces too much. The design elements in Lion that were very iOS-like were IMHO the worst.

The thing is: pads and phones are fundamentally different kinds of devices. Their UI paradigm is designed around frequent but brief and relatively shallow interactions, while a PC is for deeper longer-term interactions. Trying convergence here seems like something very easy to botch horribly.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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And that's the point the Apple TV goes from a hobby to a major product. Spending a £1000 on a Mac - I reckon another £100 for an Apple TV with that functionality as the hook is a pretty easy up sell.

It is unfortunate that AppleTV's video output (out-of-the-box) still does not support true 1080p resolutions and everything is upscaled from 720p.

This may be a bandwidth issue. I remember my friend having major issues streaming 1080 to his tv box over wifi. He had to get an N router just to support it. This may be a compromise.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

No, no one wants that (I hope). Read the Gruber preview and you'll feel more at ease. OS X and iOS are not merging. He describes Mountain Lion as "a series of steps toward defining a set of shared concepts, styles, and principles between two fundamentally distinct OSes." http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

I read the Gruber article too and I'm not totally at ease yet. In terms or UI I don't mind the new look of things but I do worry about things like iCloud. It's a really excellent idea but I'm not sure if I want my file system in the cloud. Not for security but just for control. I've been in love with the Mac for over five years now and I'm starting to worry. What if I want a different cloud file system other than iCloud? What if I want no cloud file system? Sure, right now it's no problem but what about the future?

It's no secret that Apple is basically creating a hardware software empire where everything from the physical computer to the peripherals to the software and even web services are all Apple. I've been fine with that because the Mac never tried to force things on me. I've always had the option to use a different email client, Dropbox, music player, etc. without any trouble but I'm afraid Apple will move OS X in the direction of Windows where the OS assumes you're going to use its preferred software and services and if you don't it either makes it a hassle to use alternatives or it continuously throws up those annoying notifications.

All that aside, I'm most afraid for how friendly it will be to developers. Snow Leopard was the last OS X that was perfect for me as a developer. In Lion I have to deal with things like LLVM as the default compiler outdated command line tools, some Ruby gems give me problems, the system won't allow you to save hidden files (i.e. ".htaccess") and the list goes on.

I know that developers and power users are in the minority and that for average folks who are all about media and entertainment with a little work thrown in Mountain Lion will be aweso,e out of the box. I'm glad they're making such an awesome system for those people but I feel like they're leaving developers out and not even giving us a way to switch off some of those default behaviors.

I'm only 25 but I feel like I sound like the old guy who thinks things were better "back in the old days". Maybe I am just resisting a good thing and I hope I learn to love it.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Prediction: Apple is the company that takes TV past 1080p into much higher resolution displays (when they actually release an Apple TV). Movies are already shot at much higher resolution, and Apple will introduce Apps (subscribe to a show or network, for example).

If that happens, then I predict the end of all-you-can-eat Internet. ISPs are kvetching enough about Netflix as-is.

Heh I wanna see someone stream a double-1080p over internet. It would suffocate the pipes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes) and knowing netflix and similar services this would be pretty bad. Also I think my wallw ill have to have a TV painted on it to actually fit something big enough into my house. 720 is good, 1080 is already above any reasonable need, and anything above that is just visual masturbation IMO. I watch 720p with no noticeable quality loss. Maybe it's upscaling but still.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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And a bunch of developers use Macs because they offer sane GUI on the top of UNIX.

Well, Unix anyway, meaning a useful command line. The GUI I could take or leave.

To be clear, Mac OS X is UNIX certified, not just Unix-like.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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But this update feels like it's creeping towards a heavily consumer facing product. Two questions: 1) you think you are different than a consumer how? 2) what exactly do you see this update taking away from you?

> 1) you think you are different than a consumer how? For me the distinction is this. If a feature is being taken from a consumer (e.g., me as a consumer), I say bummer and find a new hobby. No Apple remote and Front Row anymore? Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. If I use a feature in a professional workflow and it disappears, then I want at the very least a big fat warning before upgrading, but it'd be better if…

I'm not happy with the way things are headed either and you make some good points but I think you were out of line with the version number comment. Apple isn't trying to compete with Windows, at least not in the way you're implying. They're a whole different animal and they're setting the pace for everyone else, not the other way around. In any case, as far as version numbers go, OS X jumps one full decimal with each major release. Mountain Lion being 10.8 is not marketing (if it is it has nothing to do with windows) its pure coincidence. If anything Windows is using version numbers for marketing purposes. Win7 came out when OS X 10.7 was out and if I'm not mistaken, Windows is actually at version 6.2 if I remember right. If you don't believe me then open up a DOS prompt and ask it yourself.
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