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Nokia launches DIY repairable budget Android phone

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Post by pizza234 »

gman83 wrote: post #235
mlinksva wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of upda…

FYI you can get LineageOS 20 (Android 13) for your Pixel 2 with the latest updates: https://www.xda-developers.com/lineageos-20-google-pixel-2-a...

I used to be a fan of LineageOS, but after a few devices, I've found that it's not very robust (for different reasons).

There's a bug where location services don't work (and require a fix). Then my latest phone where I've installed reboots randomly one or more times per day. Both bugs are reported, and affect other users.

The camera app of LineageOS 19 was terrible, and wasn't able to handle the two cameras of one phone where I've tried it.

I will use it in order to make my phone last longer, but I don't have high hopes (and I'm not a big fan anymore).

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Post by arcanemachiner »

whitemary wrote: post #201
rustymonday wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had an iPhone 4 many years ago, and Apple nerfed it with software updates when the iPhone 6 came out. These updates significantly slowed down the phone, pretty much forcing me to get a new one after only two years. So I bought an Android and never looked back.

Apple actually lost a lawsuit over this, but of course it didn't matter because the capitalist government theatre is controlled by the ruling class protecting their own, so Apple still came out on top.

The iPhone 4 slowdown came several years before "batterygate".

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Post by arcanemachiner »

izacus wrote: post #298
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

I've noticed that modern Americans really really really dispise choice on the market. If it differs even a little bit from the average, watered down "majority" choice, it's immediately attacked and disparaged. You need to be part of the ingroup, have the same brands in your hand and on your body. Like the 1984 Apple ad - everyone with gray iphone, gray MacBook and AirPods in their ears.

An easy fix is to have a modicum of self esteem.

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Post by ta8903 »

It's nice that this phone is "officially" repairable which means you can buy the parts straight from Nokia and do the repairs yourself but keep in mind that most popular Android phones (even the cheap Chinese ones) are already repairable, you can look up instructions on how to open the back panel on youtube and buy the parts off aliexpress and do the repair yourself, or with brands like Xiaomi which have large presences in some countries you can have them do it, for much cheaper than it would cost for this phone.

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Post by bingo-bongo »

liendolucas wrote: post #276
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

Yes, but is not only the right to repair. For how long Nokia is willing to manufacture spare parts for this phone? A year, two? What if after 3 year my phone breaks and I can't repair it not because a repair issue per se but because of part availability. This already happened to me with a Nokia 7 Plus, which is a phone I like because it came with Android One. Now on the tech side, the phone is just fine, camera specs…

To be fair: “..and genuine parts available for five years via..”

..but even so, it’s still a valid concern.

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Post by cjsplat »

mlinksva wrote: post #186
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

The positive (and there's plenty of criticism; search and read) point being made about iphone is that it has a longer support duration. This seems highly complementary to repairability -- both seem important to maximize useful life -- and thus an entirely fair point, no? I'm recently on my 4th Android smartphone in 12 years (Galaxy S, Moto G, Pixel 2, Pixel 7) and would be still on the Pixel 2 if not for lack of upda…

To be clear, the Pixel 2 is unsecurable at reasonable performance against Spectre style attacks.

Might not matter to some.

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Post by shp0ngle »

I never ordered Fairphone because honestly the camera is absolute crap and making pictures of my kids is maybe #1 thing I do with my phone.

If the camera on these is less crap… I probably still won’t buy it, because it has the same 3 years update policy as most Androids do.

But hey I might think about it harder.

edit: conversely, if fairphone ever ships with camera that’s better than 7 year old iPhone, then I’m game.

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Post by bitdeveloper »

izacus wrote: post #298
jimnotgym wrote: post #162

Wow HN. I really interesting new product comes out, a really interesting turn in the right to repair debate, and a return of a famous brand. And instead of talking about that, there are a series of threads about how an iphone costing 5 times as much and is famously difficult to repair is a better phone than this. Get a grip! Can we not have a least one conversation without Apple fanbois wading in?

I've noticed that modern Americans really really really dispise choice on the market. If it differs even a little bit from the average, watered down "majority" choice, it's immediately attacked and disparaged. You need to be part of the ingroup, have the same brands in your hand and on your body. Like the 1984 Apple ad - everyone with gray iphone, gray MacBook and AirPods in their ears.

I mean, I have to figure out which peanut butter to buy from a shelf of 37 peanut butters. If anything, there's too much choice in a lot of cases. It's tiring.

I've heard way more Android users disparaging iPhones than vice versa. If anything, the fault of iPhone users is not even knowing or caring anything else exists.

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Post by shp0ngle »

a1371 wrote: post #104

This seems like a Savvy move from Nokia. At least in my country, Nokia phones are remembered for the following: - nearly indestructible - well priced - back pops out Nokia is doing the most sensible thing to reuse these as its differentiator. I understand people taking about the OS. But Nokia has little control over the software and it has also never been its selling point for me with Symbian, and later Windows Phone…

Nokia nowadays has nothing to do with the original company. The name was moved around, first to Microsoft, now it’s some Chinese company I think?
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