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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by atlantic »

andybak wrote: post #189
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #68

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These companies are already in the dark deep of hyper partisan censorship. Take reddit for example. Nearly every sub is a left wing echo chamber, with essentially the same comment being made, and opposing viewpoints hidden, shadow-banned, or deleted under the guise of 'disinformation' even if they are factually accurate. Some of it is partly driven by liaisons within US and other governments, and supported by media.…

Except you can start your own subreddit and choose your own moderation policies. The inaccurately named /r/conservative has a lot of traffic and there are many more.

Being able to start a subreddit is meaningless, when right-leaning subreddits are systematically shut down, or restricted to the point of becoming inoperative, as soon as they pass a certain threshold popularity.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by pphysch »

Off-topic, but threads like this make me lose hope in the West. The vast bulk of upvoted comments are deranged InfoWars-style conspiracy theories about multiple foreign countries that are deemed acceptable to spew hatred about. On a supposedly intellectual forum. If HN rules were uniformly applied, this thread would be nuked from orbit, because it is full of uncurious bile. But, because it is popular, there isn't really anything HN will do about it.

Can't we have a mature conversation about the nuances of censorship during severe crises without resorting to blatant xenophobia?

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by freejazz »

mc32 wrote: post #286
jquery wrote: post #247

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Excerpt From Allow Me to Retort - A Black Man’s Guide to the Constitution: “Our Constitution is not good. It is a document designed to create a society of enduring white male dominance, hastily edited in the margins to allow for what basic political rights white men could be convinced to share. The Constitution is an imperfect work that urgently and consistently needs to be modified and reimagined to make good on its…

Framing it as designed to ensure the dominance of one sex and one "race" is not doing the argument any favors. If that is what they set out to do, they did a poor job at it (even the Swiss and Kuwaitis suppressed their women "better") in addition, today, there exists slavery to this day in Chad and DRC, despite it being technically illegal. That argument is further eroded by claiming it's imperfect in enabling a prom…

Look, I'm not trying to get into a whole culture war thing, but you do realize that the constitution literally had to be amended to give non-whites and women the right to vote? It seems like the constitution did a perfectly good job at doing that.

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Post by michaelt »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #146
golergka wrote: post #39

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

Curiously, all the people that support such censorship in western countries are actually against it in this instance. Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to.

> Almost like whether or not they choose to support a policy depends not on what it does but instead on who it’s being done to.

Well, or they have a more nuanced view than "censorship no" or "censorship yes"

For example, I support laws preventing stores from selling 3 watt LED bulbs in packages claiming they're 5 watt LED bulbs; or selling generic LED bulbs in packages claiming they're Phillips bulbs. Even though the printed text is surely the manufacturer's speech.

Must I support all censorship, because I support this one bit of censorship?

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Post by agtech_andy »

tradertef wrote: post #191
blagie wrote: post #90

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Off-topic: Do most people there prefer "Türkiye" or "Turkey?"

As a Turk, I do not trust people who are using Turkiye in English. That is virtue signaling which is saying they are populist, nationalist etc. etc. I also find the change idiotic at the least though I understand why they did it.

I do agriculture stuff in Turkey. This has been a useful heuristic. I estimate that 90% of the people I have faced who get angry or make a big deal about this are bureaucrats who didn't get into their position by merit.

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Post by mayormcmatt »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #147
mrtksn wrote: post #20

Erdogan's first speech was almost 2 days after the earthquake and he said "We are monitoring who said what on the social media and tried to provoke the people. Today it's not the day to go after those but we take notes and when the day comes, we will go after them". Just look at his face when delivering this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doy38aKbMw4 It's like from V for Vendetta. The lighting choice is very…

Erdogan and his ilk single-handedly made me hesitant about donating, that regardless who I donate to, they’ll find a way to line their pockets. I ended up donating, do the same, but Erdogan is a bastard man.

I thought Dennis was the bastard man?

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Post by saurik »

smcn wrote: post #170
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #112

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The solution to bad speech is more speech. Not less.

That would only be the solution if the problem was bad speech. The problem is that algorithms optimise for engagement and therefore amplify increasingly extremist views. You cannot talk your way out of that position, it surely must include intervention?

It sounds like the problem implicit in your framing then is "algorithms", not extremists--a stance I agree with--which would imply the disinformation isn't coming from big tech's users, it is caused by big tech itself, and maybe it is the algorithms that should be limited and regulated instead of the discussions.

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Post by realworldperson »

sockaddr wrote: post #242
spacemadness wrote: post #175

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Stop buying from China means essentially buying nothing with a semiconductor. Unless you mean something else.

Well, there are many things in your life that you buy from China that don't have a semiconductor in it. For instance, I was shocked to find out that a lot of "Brazilian" honey was actually rebranded corn syrup imported from China and cut with low-grade Chinese honey, this all to get around U.S. import restrictions due to the lack of quality/safety regulation in China. It's expensive, it's tiring, it's hard. But, in t…

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Post by madaxe_again »

mrtksn wrote: post #253
madaxe_again wrote: post #202

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And there is what, precisely, to prevent Erdogan and his cronies from just seizing the funds and arresting the principals? These bank accounts are in Turkey. I would honestly be more comfortable using the likes of PayPal, as it’s less likely to be stolen by the government.

They are very quick in spending the money and don't do long term project, built a solid reputation over the years and it's founder is a Turkish Rocks star who is politically not very pronounced.

That’s a good strategy, and good to know, thank you. I worked with an orphanage in Kyrgyzstan who had a policy of ensuring their bank account was empty at the end of every day, and it worked for them.

I’ve made a donation - I hope it ends up helping someone who needs it.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

msm_ wrote: post #220
alex3305 wrote: post #110

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There was an official name change [1] to Türkiye. 1. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/2/un-registers-turkiye...

> Erdogan released a memorandum and asked the public to use Türkiye to describe the country in every language I wonder how that works. Does Eredrogan expect every country to write and say "Türkiye? Does it work the other way around - can Germany change their official name in Turkey/Türkiye to "Deutschland"?

>Does it work the other way around - can Germany change their official name in Turkey/Türkiye to "Deutschland"?

Probably not in the same way, as Turkish is not a UN official language. They could request their name be changed in English, French, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, or Arabic though.

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