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Flu shots don't require human trials either, should covid be all that different (genuine question) if so why?
Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.
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Flu shots don't require human trials either, should covid be all that different (genuine question) if so why?
Flu shots were not mandated for work, study or travel.
All three of those are wrong in at least some circumstances. Several members of my family have been getting their mandatory flu shots for decades.
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> Is that counting the 1st booster? These policy changes came after the 1st booster. Yes it is counting any booster after primary 2 doses - which policy changes specifically? Most of these countries have been relatively consistent in their approach to boosters.
They stopped recommending further boosters to younger people after the 1st booster. These 50+ or 65+ only recommendations are rather recent. That's all I'm saying. You would need to account only from the 2nd booster onwards basically.
> They stopped recommending further boosters to younger people after the 1st booster.
Which country(s) specifically changed their guidance about boosters after the 1st booster was released? Again I'm not aware of large swings in policy in most of these countries. Some aren't recommending 4th doses yet but I don't think any have changed policies about boosters after the fact.
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"Can we just admit this isn't about logic or statistics, and never was? It was always a persuasion game either way." Kind of? The fact is that we've turned into a society where we can't even be unified in trying to prevent disease. If "the left" is for vaccines, masking, social distancing, etc. then "the right" has to immediately be against it. I don't recall any of my friends or family needing persuasion at all. The…
> I don't recall any of my friends or family needing persuasion at all. They believed in the science and were willing to adapt as we learned new things about COVID (e.g. around masking and social distancing). And now that science shows the vaccines have risks that weren't clear before, will this change how they feel about them, or are they going to stick to their preconceived ideas? Did they believe the science becau…
Its useless at this point. You can't unvaccinate someone and there is no antidote. So I don't go around saying I told you so. I am really sorry this all happened. The best thing would be to dismantle gain of function and figure out the intention of a company that called themselves ecohealth aliance. The answer is in the name.
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> Is that counting the 1st booster? These policy changes came after the 1st booster. Yes it is counting any booster after primary 2 doses - which policy changes specifically? Most of these countries have been relatively consistent in their approach to boosters.
At least in Sweden the policy regarding booster after the 3rd shot has changed [1]: > Adults > For adults aged 18–64, the recommendation for three doses of the vaccinate remains in force. But anyone who wants to receive an additional booster dose, dose 4, may do so in the autumn of 2022. 65 plus and risk groups > An additional booster dose of the Covid-19 vaccine is recommended for the autumn and winter 2022/23 for a…
That is still recommending boosters 18+ though, its only clarifying for additional doses beyond 3rd doses - they didn't change their recommendation for boosters after the fact.
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Where did you get that data? According to this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/ there is no increase in Myocarditis cases among unvaccinated people who have contracted Covid-19. This study tracked 196,992 people which is a huge number, so the data here is quite good and clear. Contracting Covid-19 does not put you at increased risk for Myocarditis, the same cannot be said when evaluating a population t…
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 ) > We estimated extra myocarditis events to be between 1 and 10 per million persons in the month following vaccination, which was substantially lower than the 40 extra events per million persons observed following SARS-CoV-2 infection. and they include a brief literature review: > Our findings are consistent with those from a case-control study of 884,828 persons re…
This study is, actually, irrelevant to disproving the claim above.
It checks for the myocarditis infection from COVID-19, but it doesn't actually control for vaccination status. The people studied either are believed to have been COVID-19 infected, or had been vaccinated, but there was no designated unvaccinated control group.
In which case, you are potentially using "breakthrough cases" of COVID-19 causing Myocarditis to make your point (assuming they would be the same pre- and post- vaccination), rather than a definitive look at people who did not get the vaccine and how they fared. All the study proves is that COVID-19 infections cause increased Myocarditis... in vaccinated people. If you assume that COVID-19 has the same Myocarditis effect in vaccinated and unvaccinated people, it works; but if you accept that maybe the effects of COVID-19 are different in vaccinated people, it could fall apart, which is why the study about how Myocarditis doesn't seem to effect the 160,000+ unvaccinated people studied still has value.
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#307I'm very skeptical about their numbers. Some time in 2021 there was a story about COVID vaccines and heart issues here on HN. The comments filled up with people saying that ever since they'd got their shots they were experiencing new heart-related symptoms they'd never had previously like permanently racing heartbeats, palpitations/fluttering, inability to do exercise and more. Unfortunately I'm not sure how to re-fi…
As someone who experienced heart attack like symptoms as an under 30 year old, did go into the hospital and got a pericarditis[1] diagnosis, I think that describing your friends unknown heart condition as a heart attack is unnecessary fear mongering considering similar symptoms can present themselves as a much less severe condition. Both the Vaccine and Covid are known have a low chance of causing heart issues. [1] h…
I'm not a doctor, so maybe there's some deep difference between something that has the same symptoms as a heart attack and a heart attack. Regardless of what exactly it was, it freaked him out, it freaked me out too and I'm glad there doesn't seem to have been a recurrence (or if there was he chose not to tell me, knowing that I'd tell him again to see a specialist).
"Both the Vaccine and Covid are known have a low chance of causing heart issues."
It is 'known' by people who are deeply conflicted by their own pushing of the shots and could thus never admit it, if their policies had led to immune or heart damage. Nothing much can be said about vaccine safety given that the public health and research system are clearly terrified of doing or saying anything that might reduce compliance with their policies.
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Yes. People just don't understand what their plan's deductibles mean, and the protections the ACA offers. The parent poster likely benefits from the following items on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act : > Annual and lifetime coverage caps on essential benefits were banned. > Insurers are forbidden from dropping policyholders when they become ill. > All policies must provide an annual maximum out-of-p…
The problem field is slighty different: if your income is constrained and you are generally in good health you are going to choose a low premium plan with consequent higher deductible. When it's your turn to end up in hospital you get to pay up to the (substantial for you) out-of-pocket limit, even though you belong to the demographic that cannot afford it and Obamacare was sold to you as making healthcare affordable…
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#309Conspiracy theorists keep being proved correct. Experts say, that’s dangerous.
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Yes. People just don't understand what their plan's deductibles mean, and the protections the ACA offers. The parent poster likely benefits from the following items on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Care_Act : > Annual and lifetime coverage caps on essential benefits were banned. > Insurers are forbidden from dropping policyholders when they become ill. > All policies must provide an annual maximum out-of-p…
The problem field is slighty different: if your income is constrained and you are generally in good health you are going to choose a low premium plan with consequent higher deductible. When it's your turn to end up in hospital you get to pay up to the (substantial for you) out-of-pocket limit, even though you belong to the demographic that cannot afford it and Obamacare was sold to you as making healthcare affordable…
All of this was true pre-ACA, but worse (in my family's case, much worse; we went bankrupt over $90k in medical bills back in the 2000s). As it was, the thing barely passed.