France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products

Post by Ekaros » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:21 PM UTC

wumpus wrote: post #296

Ekaros wrote: post #186

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Both beef and canine meat are from mammals. There isn't really much difference between those. Ofc reasonable labelling is reasonable to expect. But they are still meat and nearly every human including vegans can perfectly well eat either. Same does not apply to companies that try to mislead people by calling something not meat meat or cheese or so on.

> nearly every human including vegans can perfectly well eat either. If you haven't eaten meat for decades, you will probably become violently ill if you eat meat.

Post by 7952 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 9:36 PM UTC

mgkimsal wrote: post #63

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Nobody's trying to confuse anyone though, they're trying to provide alternatives. "Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it. (edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!)

agreed on genericness. I have generally at least 2 options anywhere I go - sausage or turkey sausage, with the default assumption of 'pork'. But many places around me have (pork) sausage, turkey sausage, and vegan sausage. I don't think it's that hard, or confuses people (or, at least the people who care about vegan in the first place).

Post by mike00632 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:05 PM UTC

xdennis wrote: post #33

ggm wrote: post #23

This debate won't end in a hurry. We've been arguing about what beer is since the German beer laws and before. British Sausages cause hilarity in Europe. The idea that definitionally we can state a-priori what is or is not the current meaning of a term when language itself is plastic is kind of broken because the distinction between Cows, Cattle, Beef, Veal, Bison, Oxen, Bullock and Bull, Buffalo and Bison and Cow, G…

You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

Post by mike00632 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:11 PM UTC

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You're conflating metaphors with obfuscation. For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor. But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.

I think you are at least half right, but not entirely right. "cause confusion" is at least in part going to intentionality, where I agree the intent is to try and go beyond "its white" to "it has similar mouth feel, it whips, it makes a good coffee" But Veal and Beef is actually similar. Rose Veal is most definitely not Veal. It was named Rose Veal to try and market what they do with slaughterhouses and with discard…

Post by mike00632 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 11:16 PM UTC

cardiffspaceman wrote: post #266

Klonoar wrote: post #91

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...no, in this case you are absolutely shopping wrong. Pay attention to the labels.

If it says, "milk" or "cheese" or "beef" I absolutely should not have to read the label. These things were made by farmers thousands of years ago, and have fairly simple "recipes". If you want to sell some vegetables or vegetable oil to vegans, I would have thought that vegans would go for it without the unappetizing association with dead, smelly, greasy animal carcasses. Why does vegan food have to resemble the thin…