TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by Sakos » Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 11:30 PM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #245

actuator wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok is a far worse threat to India than Meta though. Unlike China, US is not an adversary of India and US didn't kill Indian soldiers just two years back. So it makes sense they would go after Tiktok. The harm is just not espionage, it is also manipulation of sentiment by propoganda. Also, I am not really sure with all the equivalence to Meta in this thread. Sure, Meta has things to be criticized about but if one…

Is India the West now? This alone tells me that you aren’t coming this from a data pov and simply playing team sports. My problem with this “analysis” is it stems from xenophobia rather than the actual problem with these social networks. The idea that we must “act now” with TikTok when Meta has been a worse actor is just anti-Chinese; we are pretending that Meta wont just bend over to the CCP as well if given the cha…

Do you not realize India is in an active territory dispute with China over which they've had repeated limited military conflicts (which thankfully never escalated). You know, the China currently expanding their military presence on the border to India, including airbases with their newest generation fighters?

China is a very real threat to India right now. Why wouldn't they ban TikTok?

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by rglullis » Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 11:33 PM UTC

throwaway29812 wrote: post #246

rglullis wrote: post #153

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> laws in place that prevent such a change from occurring. Haven't you learned anything from Snowden? > You just need laws around who can do it, can for what reasons. You just make illegal to use personal data for any other thing that is not the service being directly provided to the customer. Personalized ads? Tracking cookies? Ad bids? Make all these illegal and the collection of data will stop being profitable. St…

We are talking about private industry working together with governments. The US has no intention nor legal ability to force private industry to work with them, outside of when they choose to. Unless a new patriot act comes along, which is highly unlikely to pass in 2022.

No. We are talking about companies with way too much power in their hands and that might use it for nefarious purposes {for,against,with,without,despite} the government.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by jasonladuke0311 » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

cute_boi wrote: post #203

jasonladuke0311 wrote: post #197

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> The US has just done far worse. Nah, you just hear about most of the US's screw-ups. I seriously doubt any of us in the West have an inkling of the atrocities they commit.

It is not screw-ups when it is done repeatedly.

Instead of addressing the substance of the argument, you debate semantics. Is the current United States govt harnessing the organs and forcing sterilization of ethnic minorities? It is patently absurd to compare the two, my goodness. In the words of Jules Winnfield, the two “ain't the same ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport.”

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

whoisjuan wrote: post #52

It’s incredible that the US allowed TikTok (which is by all measures a chinese spy tool) to become such a dominant social network. India got it right from the beggining by banning TikTok. They saw the immense threat and didn’t hesitate. China, by principle, has always banned all foreign information technology companies. What seemed hostile for us, it’s a reasonable play if you understand the unmeasurable power of mas…

As far as the populace is concerned, we'd rather be spied on by Chairman Xi than by our own government. Which one can more directly affect our lives? That said, it's surprising the governing class allowed TikTok in.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by FrostKiwi » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 1:20 AM UTC

cybervaz wrote: post #114

guys, don't mind the CCP bots commenting on here. Just ignore them

I never seem to have a good sense for whether a post is motivated by an agenda or not, so it's though for me to understand what you are referencing and recommend I should ignore. Can you permalink those post you consider to be CCP bots?

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by kwatsonafter » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 1:23 AM UTC

upupandup wrote: post #5

A security researcher wrote an article while back and it was shocking to see how much data TikTok was collecting: - biometrics - what words are mentioned in the video, popularity - surrounding wifi, location data - your contacts (presumably to cross link to social media platforms) I just can't believe that a powerful country like America is letting a not-so-friendly military/civilian complex infiltrate it for somewha…

From an IR realist perspective this doesn't matter so much; wars aren't fought between the people of nations-- they're fought between the armies of different nations. Historically the financial class doesn't really care so much about things like, "people's expectation of privacy" and the like (...) I'm one of the few people that studies this that would kind of say, "who cares?" I state this rhetorically.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by heretogetout » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 1:27 AM UTC

jaywalk wrote: post #158

generj wrote: post #143

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Sort of a fruit of a poisoned well - if prior trade action hadn’t been transparently lying about a national security pretext warning about TikTok would have been received better.

Oh please. The people who complained didn't care about that. They didn't like Trump, and would complain about anything he did regardless of the merit. They are nakedly partisan.

I didn't like Trump but that wasn't why I was opposed to the TikTok ban. I was opposed because it was pointless and stupid. If we want to ban Chinese businesses because of human rights abuses, fine, let's start banning imports -- hit 'em where it counts! Let's not waste people's limited time and money banning a silly mobile app.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by heretogetout » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 1:29 AM UTC

heliophobicdude wrote: post #248

heretogetout wrote: post #139

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If China really is as bad as all that (and I think it probably is) why are we wasting any time or energy on TikTok? It'd be a lot more effective to sanction China over those human rights abuses than to ban some toy app.

I hope this can bring in some extra context. https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-st... Paywall-less link: https://archive.ph/D7Dao

That does make sense. Of course it's the result of lobbying and not some high-minded concern about privacy or espionage.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by moistly » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 2:48 AM UTC

nemothekid wrote: post #245

actuator wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok is a far worse threat to India than Meta though. Unlike China, US is not an adversary of India and US didn't kill Indian soldiers just two years back. So it makes sense they would go after Tiktok. The harm is just not espionage, it is also manipulation of sentiment by propoganda. Also, I am not really sure with all the equivalence to Meta in this thread. Sure, Meta has things to be criticized about but if one…

Is India the West now? This alone tells me that you aren’t coming this from a data pov and simply playing team sports. My problem with this “analysis” is it stems from xenophobia rather than the actual problem with these social networks. The idea that we must “act now” with TikTok when Meta has been a worse actor is just anti-Chinese; we are pretending that Meta wont just bend over to the CCP as well if given the cha…

> is just anti-Chinese

Anti- the ruthless mafioso that rule China with an iron fist, all too ready to harvest organs from its citizens for the benefit of the Party members and their friends.

Most any individual Chinese is probably just another joe trying to feed and love his family.

The Chinese government is a threat to Western Democracy, freedom, and human rights.

Re: TikTok updated privacy policy to collect faceprints and voiceprints (2021)

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Post by moistly » Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 2:59 AM UTC

cybervaz wrote: post #130

I will repeat my comment: Stop generalizing the "country of origin" as if it does not matter like the Chinese Comunist Party isn't a threat to the world. - There will always be a ruler, and which ruler is killing, slaving, censoring and selling it's own people as meat tools for foreign companies? - China will kill, torture it's own people and their families if they think they are a thread (even if remote) to their go…

Western Democracies are sleep-walking into their own destruction by way of hostile foreign influence of the population.

Our governments have foolishly, stupidly allowed social media to be used by adversaries to provoke dissension, coordinate destructive mob action, to influence elections, etc, etc.

We are going to be destroyed because we give our hostile adversaries the same benefit of the doubt, the same freedoms, the same access to our population, as we do our own people.

Notably, the same does not apply in the reverse.