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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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> English is not my native language and "The solution is trivial" was meant sarcastic. The solution isn't trivial at all, nor is it complete, because solving the corner cases is complex. I think it's really difficult to convey sarcasm well in text, and what seems obvious to you as a writer might not come across as sarcasm to readers. I certainly didn't understand that as sarcastic right away. It might be better to ad…

Thank you for your suggestion! I believe I can't just edit the article now, since that would be disingenuous, but I'll try to avoid sarcasm in the future and use something like you suggested instead.

You could edit the article in a week or two, once things are calmer (maybe leave the original text in crossed-out form, or a link to the original via archive.org); it might help future readers who don't get there via this controversy.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Another day, another Casey post dunking on my team. Hi! This tweet misses the mark only a little bit; in a previous blog post, we apologized[1] pretty frankly to everyone involved in this discussion. I'll admit that we didn't list him by name, but neither did we list the other handful of folks involved. We should have. In turn, Casey rightly did not acknowledge it except to tell his followers that it was not a real a…

> "(Note: I've iteratively edited this post, as it was originally a one-sentence diatribe written in anger. I originally asked, "I just don't know what else he's asking for here. Credit? Us to die screaming?" It was not a good look.)" So you stole his idea and realized a one-liner dismissal was not a "good look" for yourself , so you wrote an "apology"? It's not about him, it's about saving yourself from the blowback…

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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I read through the Windows Terminal Github a lot, and have for a long time. It's a really interesting project to follow. I saw all these threads play out in real time. No, the Microsoft team was not perfect, back then or now, but it's not the witch hunt it's being made out to be here. DHowett, lhecker, zadjii, and probably some I'm forgetting readily admitted that multiple times on multiple Github threads with Dhowett even saying a literal "sorry" to Casey in name while accrediting the in progress work to his suggestions as early as November of last year despite the countless comments here about the blog posts in 2022 not being proper enough apologies because of the lack of these things. I also don't blame any of these folks for not wanting to link back to the GitHub comments of what amounts to flame wars on issues, some closed and some still open as they do actually care about making the performance better for more use cases, and instead leave them to be focused on the technical aspects now that they are finally steered in that position.

It's also worth noting there was a non-Microsoft individual out of China cmuratori et al had a lot of early communication issues with. They also apologized individually and ended up dropping out of contributing to the project (mostly performance related commits) last year due to some of the things said about them on GitHub and Twitter.

Imperfectness of the terminal committers aside, past and current, I don't think I've ever seen something approaching an apology for anything from cmuratori (though admittedly I don't follow anything outside Github as I'm just trying to follow the changes). I have seen the guy go out of his way to write an alternative demo terminal (licensed in a way the Microsoft folks can't even read it on GitHub if they wanted to) rather than actually try to help the project... and have folks like lhecker kindly responding to GitHub comments about it while he was working on making it happen in the real Windows Terminal codebase.

For all that still just want to gang up on the Windows Terminal team here because they can find something they did that wasn't perfect I'd just say they've handled it better than I think 95% of HN would have, better than I would have for sure, and you shouldn't give this troll more of a platform even if he was right about the technical approach in this case (though wrong about a lot of other things about it along the way). If you must talk about it why not instead focus on what better examples of handling this kind of situation have been instead of easy quips about why this didn't go as it should have? Or handling toxicity in online communication since it could easily apply to many of the comments here as well.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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Hi! I'm the person who wrote that blog post. If you have any questions whatsoever, please let me know! English is not my native language and "The solution is trivial" was meant sarcastic. The solution isn't trivial at all, nor is it complete, because solving the corner cases is complex. I'd also like to mention ahead of time that DirectWrite/Direct2D is very fast at drawing western (Latin) text without coloring (>200…

Seems like the solution was to convert a true type font to a bitmap font, I remember doing the same thing for my video games when I was a kid in the 90s its good to know I wasn't the only one that found it challenging.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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post #283

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Baffles me that people think sarcasm is a good way to communicate on the internet. You are begging to be misunderstood, either accidentally, or maliciously.

What's different about the internet when it comes to written sarcasm?

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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This is so insulting to Casey, he does his instructional videos for the world to see and educate a new generation of programmers about how to make a game completely from scratch. This isn't his full-time jobs. This isn't some streamer trying to gather new audience by brewing up drama.

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Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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> It was an awful attempt at an apology > Counting check marked boxes on a wikihow list isn't a good way to measure the quality of an apology. If anything, it's a way . Suggest something better for your definition of "good", as it looks like you're making a speculative criticism for your own edification.

>Suggest something better for your definition of "good" I already mentioned two things that would make it a "good" apology: - Directly mentioning whom you are apologizing too. In some cases addressing a group might be appropriate but in this case it seems like he should have mentioned Casey. - Directly mentioning what you did wrong instead of phrasing it in an intentionally vague way like "we turned inwards". Apologi…

> The hard part is getting over our egos

In this scenario it really isn't Microsoft who are demonstrating a bleeding ego.

Whatever you think about the apology, Microsoft made it without being called to do so. As an inconvenient data point, the apology (again, whatever you think about it) was omitted from the tweet. Casey blatantly rephrases the employee's words from "could be seen as impugning the reader" to "you are impugning the reader". This is all p-hacking convenient facts into one specific world view, and the fanbase is all too eager to echo it.

All of this drama is great for one specific ego.

Re: When I tell the Windows Terminal team something is simple, I am "misguided"

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post #225

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It's not really sarcasm (which usually connotes contempt or mockery, which I suspect the blog writer didn't intend). It's irony, and irony has been widely used in written communication since we stopped using writing exclusively for record-keeping. It can and does work on the internet, provided (i) the writer is prepared to accept that a subset of readers won't "get it"; they'll fail to pick up on contextual clues tha…

imo, sarcasm only works over text if your text can be taken sarcastically and non-sarcastically.

Everyone knows you’re supposed to denote sarcasm with .
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