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Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Thanks for highlighting this - we're trying to figure out what the best model is for our community. A lot of other apps follow a similar model, we allow people to cancel anytime and have refunded everyone that has forgotten to cancel. Some people also like having the subscription because it is a pay per use model rather than putting everyone under the same one-off bundle. We're working on extending the free trial / m…

Charging for monthly instead of yearly after trial ends is something you can push to production in half an hour. Don't try to weasel out in front of technical audience. Liar.

Users do have a choice between monthly and yearly.

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To echo the other comments here, you are describing ADHD, not its opposite. ADHD doesn’t mean you can’t hyperfocus, far from it. It means you find it much harder than a normal person to directly control, through pure will, what to focus on and how widely/narrowly. So at times you’re highly distractible and struggle to focus on things (sometimes even when you know they’re vitally important, like listening to the quest…

"As a rough analogy, ADHD is to focus as bipolar disorder is to mood." Could you elaborate?

With bipolar disorder, you swing between extremes - depression and mania. Your mood seems to have a mind of its own, you can’t always control it.

With ADHD, you swing between extremes - unfocused and hyperfocus. Your focus seems to have a mind of its own, you can’t always control it.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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As well as input from the team, we did a lot of user interviews and testing during development and this wasn't flagged as a concern (a lot of people were used to the model from other apps) but clearly this is something we need to work on.

You might want to look into ways to identify cases where people are used to something but not happy about it in your research process. So many things that shouldn't be normal are considered so and tolerated by people who don't do well with it to the point they don't think about it unless someone asks the right question.

This is unfortunately very true. Thank you for your feedback.

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I can assure you that absolutely no-one "likes" being charged a full years subscription in advance. We're working on extending the free trial / moving to a freemium model. Please. You aren't spaceX "working on" your next engine, or AMD "working on" the next processor architecture. All you have to do to end the unethical behavior is flip a few bits in a database. Don't pretend it's some kind of grand technical challen…

While criticism can be good when constructive, I think these comments are a bit dramatic and make way too many assumptions. I would expect that it's more financially lucrative to have a happy userbase, which translates to a good reputation and thus larger user-base, rather rip-off a few who will eventually give bad reviews and create a bad reputation. To me the current pricing model sounds more like a bad decision ra…

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Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Thanks for highlighting this - we're trying to figure out what the best model is for our community. A lot of other apps follow a similar model, we allow people to cancel anytime and have refunded everyone that has forgotten to cancel. Some people also like having the subscription because it is a pay per use model rather than putting everyone under the same one-off bundle. We're working on extending the free trial / m…

Just gonna jump on the bandwagon here and say that, as somebody who suffers from ADHD, with all due respect, that is 100% USDA certified horseshit. At the very least, bill monthly and make the trial not auto-renew at full price. And, since the target market is people with executive dysfunction, I'd love to see your team go the extra mile and default to pushing notifications the week before and day before a user's sub…

As someone who has ADHD and suffers a lot from forgetting to cancel subscriptions etc this would be really really good. I used to set several calendar reminders each quarter. One to sit down and work out what subscriptions I have. Another one to sit down and work out what subscriptions I have. One to cancel subscriptions. Another one to sit down and actually cancel them. A third one to work out if I’ve cancelled them…

Now I have a bunch of automations set up that ping me and say “you’ve got this subscription… are you actually using it?”

It took me a fair bit of effort to engineer but it’s saved me a whole load of money.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Thanks for the follow-up questions. We're actually working on several different sign-ups flows at the moment including opt-in post free trial, longer free trial, web sign-up and one-off purchase vs subscription. It is not our intention to push annual significantly over monthly - we wanted to give a significant discount to yearly subscribers but perhaps the difference between the two is too large. The previously menti…

Thanks, it's good to know that you're considering alternatives. As you have a number of people with ADHD working on your app, I would be curious to know if any of them raised concerns about these specifics of your subscription model, during planning and development of the app?

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Billing an entire annual subscription up front, as opposed to monthly, seems especially questionable. What if the therapy doesn't work? What if it's so badly implemented that it can't work? You're still out a hundred bucks just the same, and that's just in the first year. edit: There is also a monthly subscription option, in the Apple app store at least. It's $22 a month - so over twice as much as the annual. This do…

I just downloaded the Android app to check, and it's a similar ratio as you describe for the Apple app store: £19.99 per month if paid monthly, but £7.17 per month (as £85.99 per year) if paid annually. And on my phone at least, the monthly payment option is also hidden behind a scroll down action: https://i.imgur.com/rV0bMTH.jpg , with the yearly subscription already selected by default. It would seem they're pushin…

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Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Consider also “we only charge you at the end of the month if you actually used it” or so. Can be a much more difficult revenue model but user trust is way higher when you make that sort of commitment and if you are indeed struggling with getting user trust, it could be a lifesaver.

This is the only honest way to do automatic payments, and I think it should be a legal requirement for streaming services, gyms, and anything else that charges recurring fees and has the means to track usage. I would even be ok with "we'll charge you for this month, but since you didn't use it we will suspend your service and stop billing you" I don't know of any services that do this though. So I assume they are all…

I believe Slack has an "only pay for what you use" model? Or at least had one at some point?

And of course every cloud provider works this way, but that's not a "subscription model" anymore.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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Many of the reviews of the Android app are quite critical of the trial and payment model, for example: > CAUTION: After the free trial period (7 days), they will charge for an annual subscription ($102.95 US). This is OPT OUT, not opt in. In other reviews they say they will offer a refund (I will update when/if I get one) but for an app for people with executive function issues, an opt out format seems shady. Either…

Are you working on a competing product in the mental health space? You're clearly not a prospective patient and you don't have loved ones who you were evaluating this for. Your careful scrutiny exposes you.

Re: Launch HN: Inflow (YC S21) – Self-help app for people with ADHD

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You might want to look into ways to identify cases where people are used to something but not happy about it in your research process. So many things that shouldn't be normal are considered so and tolerated by people who don't do well with it to the point they don't think about it unless someone asks the right question.

This is unfortunately very true. Thank you for your feedback.

While as an ADHD’er who agrees with all the concerns expressed here on the payment model, I also think that criticism like this has to be a little measured and proportional. Some of the feedback in the comments here (not necessarily in this direct thread that I’m replying to) are going a little too far in my opinion.

Constructive criticism is useful but there are many here breaking the “take the most charitable possible interpretation” rule of HN.

So please do listen to this feedback and please do act on it, but don’t take the personal attacks and name calling in some of the comments here too seriously.

You are being polite and gracious in your responses!

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