Live data from Hacker News

Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

developer.apple.com

301–310 of 515 posts

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#301
Can't imagine choosing to actually involve yourself in the apple ecosystem. Such a weirdly centralised authoritarian sphere of tech, with this creepy thin veil of individualism.

Just yuck. All of it. Over and over again we see these antideveloper and anticonsumer moves - which always happen to be set in just the right way to take power and give it to apple under the guise of security or privacy.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#302
I don't make Apple apps but I think this is a good idea.

I don't provide a way for a user to delete their data in my app but that's because I don't want to have to deal with having to tell them "You shouldn't have pressed that button". But I'll gladly delete it they request I do.

That's a tough one to balance though. It's been very rare but I've had users call me a few years after their account expired asking if I still had their data, and in all those cases I did, and that saved their butts because they needed it.

In my case storing user data is very inexpensive so unless they ask me to delete it I'll let it sit for long time.

What's happened more often is I'll have users try to login and then renew their accounts after they've sat for over a year.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#303
post #2

Wonder if this can be used to unsubscribe from The NY Times?

I didn't realize it was because I live in California that this is never a problem for me. I thought businesses just stopped doing that shady practice in general, not that it was outlawed here. How very interesting.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#304
post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can do that already. just issue a chargeback and poof.

Do that to a gym and they'll sue you for not paying out your contract.

A gym is not a recurring payment, it's a facility access contract defined for a period of time. You agreed upon price for the year, broken down into monthly payments. You are obligated to pay that full amount b/c you agreed to it when you signed the contract at the beginning of the membership.

You don't have such contracts with recurring payment products.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#305

Can't imagine choosing to actually involve yourself in the apple ecosystem. Such a weirdly centralised authoritarian sphere of tech, with this creepy thin veil of individualism. Just yuck. All of it. Over and over again we see these antideveloper and anticonsumer moves - which always happen to be set in just the right way to take power and give it to apple under the guise of security or privacy.

Don't get this take, as a user this is the opposite of authoritarian since it gives you more control.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

huh? you can deactivate and delete your FB account through Facebook...why would this be easier?

Don't they maintain shadow accounts and not actually delete the account in the background. That was my understanding from prior discussions around it. Basically they hide the account, not actually delete the account and all data associated with your use. Could be totally wrong here though...

They absolutely delete the account and data associated with it, however the shadow accounts thing is... separate. Their line of reasoning is: well, I uploaded your phone number, so it's "my" data and not "yours", so "you" can't delete it...

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#307

Can't imagine choosing to actually involve yourself in the apple ecosystem. Such a weirdly centralised authoritarian sphere of tech, with this creepy thin veil of individualism. Just yuck. All of it. Over and over again we see these antideveloper and anticonsumer moves - which always happen to be set in just the right way to take power and give it to apple under the guise of security or privacy.

The same company that allows you to opt-in to tracking (as opposed to an opt-out that would rarely be used) and evidently now requires that other companies not do the anti-consumer thing where they make sign up easy but cancelation hard?

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The App Store policies were always for the benefit of customers (and Apple). These policies will keep happening because the basic incentive of Apple's business model has been unchanged since 2008.

Indeed many people do not remember that Android ecosystem at the beginning deliberately was on the side of the developer (and Google) as opposed to the user with its lax permissions and liberal access to the system and took its leisurely time to add more useful permission controls for years (location access was install time and you could not opt out of that specific permission unless you chose not to install the app…

> leisurely time to add more useful permission controls for years

I remember when I discovered my Android phone wasn’t encrypted, and it had lasted for years. I suddenly stopped using it, changed my passwords/tokens and bought an iPhone. Never came back.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#309
post #279
post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have decentralized p2p systems that respect users (allow deletes). One example would be Gun which allows you to “tombstone” your data. Just overwrite it with a blank. A new version of Scuttlebutt allows tombstoning too. I think mutable should be the default. Make it all ephemeral with optional permanence.

Can you stop anyone keeping a copy of everything that someone tries to tombstone, though?

I think this is an interesting hypothetical. If you never sync up, though, are you still part of the app developers aura of responsibility? Deletion of the data has been initialized per requirement, and will propagate through the system at the rate the system is able to propagate data.

If someone changes their system to avoid the data being deleted, presumably that would then have to accept the liability / responsibility for deletion. But that’s already moot anyway, because we’re not talking about a court of law, but a court of App Store publication, which it would already no-longer be a part of.

Re: Apple requires account deletion within apps in AppStore starting January 31

#310

What about inmutable systems? My app (using scuttlebutt) creates an 'account' but it's located as crypto keys only within the app and apple keychain. So far the apple reviewers refused to believe that it works like. It's open source, they've got the code... but still.... Same is true for anything crypto. The account as it were exists on many devices, but it's not something you as the app creator can manage. I think a…

Your app is incompatible with the Apple App Store. There’s a lot of arguments that people will make about whether this is justified or not, but from a plain rules standpoint, that’s not a permissible data management strategy if you want to publish an iOS app through Apple’s store.

What if you're making an unofficial, unaffiliated app for someone else's service, and their API/protocol doesn't support deleting accounts?
Post reply on HN