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Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by adolph »

jsiepkes wrote: post #7

> An unreleased Steam competitor, codenamed Vapor, from Amazon Game Studios The choosing of the name Vapor is probably no accident when the main competitor is Steam. Just like when IBM launched the "Eclipse foundation" which was arguably based on one of Sun's most prized possessions; Java.

Another lovely naming story:

When new sounds for System 7 were created, the sounds were reviewed by Apple's Legal Department who objected that the new sound alert "chime" had a name that was "too musical", under the recent settlement [with Beatles' record label Apple Records]. Jim Reekes, the creator of the new sound alerts for System 7, had grown frustrated with the legal scrutiny and first quipped it should be named "Let It Beep", a pun on "Let It Be". When someone remarked that that would not pass the Legal Department's approval, he remarked, "so sue me". After a brief reflection, he resubmitted the sound's name as sosumi (a homophone of "so sue me"). Careful to submit it in written form rather than spoken form to avoid pronunciation, he told the Legal Department that the name was Japanese and had nothing to do with music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosumi

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by bo1024 »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #280
thinkingemote wrote: post #157

From another site a user commented that it might have proprietary modifications to ffmpeg which is LGPL/GPL (I think?). Would a leak be considered to be distribution, could others legally take these modifications and merge them into the upstream project? I imagine other free software might have modifications too.

Can you use GPL code internally (ie run your backend) if you never publish it?

I believe so, and this is why the AGPL was created:

> The GNU General Public License permits making a modified version and letting the public access it on a server without ever releasing its source code to the public.

> The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available to the community.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html

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Post by NineStarPoint »

bla15e wrote: post #249
lights0123 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#StolenCopy

But the source was not stolen, merely copied

An important distinction indeed. Intellectual Property theft will get you in much bigger trouble with the Feds than just stealing something does.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by Nextgrid »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #269
Semaphor wrote: post #37

This is somewhat hilarious. Just 5 days ago I was complaining about Twitch’s new "Only verified users" setting which requires me to give them my phone number. One of the reasons I said I’ll not do that was "hacks, leaks". And now this. Sure, I’ll give you my phone number to add TOTP (Why even?) after I’ve just been shown how secure that data is.

I don't really get this. My phone number is apparently already known by every scammer and spammer on earth, which is why I never answer calls from people I don't know, so what am I losing? Meanwhile, Twitch has had a significant bot spamming problem.

> so what am I losing?

The fact that they can use this number to correlate against contact lists collected from other people.

Now I don't think Twitch itself is doing this, but they may provide this information to marketing platforms such as Facebook which will use this data for ad targeting (and they definitely have a lot of people's contacts and can infer social graphs very well as a result).

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Post by sydthrowaway »

bo1024 wrote: post #302
sydthrowaway wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you use GPL code internally (ie run your backend) if you never publish it?

I believe so, and this is why the AGPL was created: > The GNU General Public License permits making a modified version and letting the public access it on a server without ever releasing its source code to the public. > The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available to the community. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html

So in theory, FAANG could make billions of a random person's GPL'd code and they'd never know.

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Post by corobo »

1121redblackgo wrote: post #208
corobo wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this the exact argument search engines have been fighting for years in relation to piracy? The data hasn't been provided, a link to the data has been provided

Sure. Morally what do you think is the right thing to do?

Morally I wont be using any of the data. The data however is out whether you roadblock access to it or not.

The chances of you stopping someone who's nefarious enough to use the data but so non-technical that they can't find a magnet link is so low it wasn't worth me typing this sentence about it

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by thatfunkymunki »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #305
bo1024 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe so, and this is why the AGPL was created: > The GNU General Public License permits making a modified version and letting the public access it on a server without ever releasing its source code to the public. > The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available to the community. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html

So in theory, FAANG could make billions of a random person's GPL'd code and they'd never know.

Spoiler alert: vast majority of FAANG systems run on Linux, making billions for them.

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Post by canada_dry »

Semaphor wrote: post #37

This is somewhat hilarious. Just 5 days ago I was complaining about Twitch’s new "Only verified users" setting which requires me to give them my phone number. One of the reasons I said I’ll not do that was "hacks, leaks". And now this. Sure, I’ll give you my phone number to add TOTP (Why even?) after I’ve just been shown how secure that data is.

This is a readily solvable problem i.e. the only phone number I use/give online is a VOIP# that just redirects to voicemail immediately (and blocks the call if it's on my SPAMMER list of persistent annoyances).

For friends/family they have my cell# and it only lets calls through if they're in my contacts.

Re: Twitch source code and customer data has reportedly been leaked

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Post by matheusmoreira »

nlitened wrote: post #291
matheusmoreira wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and what's wrong with that reaction? I'm supposed to just accept this stuff? The blue collar workers are right too. They should be getting paid a lot more. Certainly not less than streamers. It's not fair and I refuse to accept it. Come to think of it, advertisers seem to be a major cause of these distortions. They distort the value of activities that happen to have an audience. Yet another reason to block ads:…

Why wouldn’t you start a business, and pay blue collar workers what they deserve?

Because that's not the field of work I chose for myself. I do see construction workers on a daily basis though. I also know the owner of a construction company, he's part of my extended family. The wealth disparity between the workers and my family member is obscene. There's no way I'll ever believe they couldn't be paid better wages.
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