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Young People Are Anxious About Climate Change, Say Governments Are Failing Them

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Re: Young People Are Anxious About Climate Change, Say Governments Are Failing Them

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Post by angelzen »

strken wrote: post #258
lanstin wrote: post #237

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You think if a billion people lose monsoon water, some of them won't put together a hand-made virus to wreak revenge on the wealthy nations responsible for the carbon burn and for climate denial? I mean, maybe, people have a capacity for good, but also for anger and revenge. Carbon caused climate change isn't a carry-ing capacity / overpopulation / over utilization issue (and is now somewhat dwarfing those issues). I…

What's your estimate of the probability of collapse, and why? I'd put it in the low single digits or maybe lower, on the basis that a cascade of things need to go wrong: first you need a climate scenario that exceeds the IPCC estimates, then you need significant damage or conflict, then you need a potential collapse event to emerge from the conflict, then the event has to trigger collapse on its own or other events h…

100%. Thanks to globalization and just-in-time economy, supply chains are already overextended and on the brink of failure. Once the first cracks set in, the consequences will cascade until most of agro-industrial production will grind to a halt.

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Post by [deleted] »

fnord77 wrote: post #124
lisper wrote: post #4

It's not just young people. I'm 56 and I'm going through a pretty serious personal existential crisis w.r.t. climate change. I think even the people who are worried about it don't realize quite how serious the situation is. I used to feel pretty confident that all of the really bad shit would not happen until after I was dead. I'm not nearly so confident any more. I now think there is a significant chance that I coul…

aren't you excited about having live through both the great rise of civilization and then also the biggest decline? you may have gotten to see the absolute peak of society.

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Post by c0nducktr »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #83
lisper wrote: post #4

It's not just young people. I'm 56 and I'm going through a pretty serious personal existential crisis w.r.t. climate change. I think even the people who are worried about it don't realize quite how serious the situation is. I used to feel pretty confident that all of the really bad shit would not happen until after I was dead. I'm not nearly so confident any more. I now think there is a significant chance that I coul…

When I was in elementary school (early 90's) we were taught that half of New York would be underwater by 2020. Obviously didn't happen. Stop reading the news, they're fear-mongers and outlandish predictions have been happening for decades.

> > When I was in elementary school (also early 90's) we were taught that

Do you think that your educators were climate scientists? Maybe you just had educators which misestimated the reports of actual scientists.

Is a grade-school teacher supposed to understand climate forecasting?

You're an adult. You should have realized by now that your grade school teachers didn't actually know everything about everything.

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Post by tdsamardzhiev »

chillwaves wrote: post #254
void_mint wrote: post #247

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> I'm suggesting exactly what I said. Would you like me to repeat it? You're being aggressive and condescending for no reason. To quote you, "I thought HN was better than this." > When beef has the 30x the environmental impact of plant based food per calorie, it would be hard to make the statement that fat people are automatically to blame for climate change. This isn't what anybody suggested. As obesity rises, peopl…

Did you know it is socially awkward to respond to someone who isn't talking to you? An overweight vegetarian has lower environmental impact that an average weight meat eater. Basic math, friend.

> Did you know it is socially awkward to respond to someone who isn't talking to you?

No, that's how online message boards work.

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Post by 8bitsrule »

Sep 13 2021 article from the Guardian - Title: "Rain fell on Greenland’s ice sheet for the first time ever known. Alarms should ring".

[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/13/greenl...]

Quote: "To save the Greenland ice sheet – and Florida – will require a Nansen-esque transformation on steroids, something inspired by, but much larger than, President Franklin D Roosevelt’s New Deal. To begin, we need to elect representatives who respect science, and accept the magnitude of what we’re up against. If they do not, they must be defeated.

It’s time to put our planet first."

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Post by badmadrad »

climate change has become a loaded ambiguous term. most people are running with worse apocalyptic notions of it because it suits whatever agenda. there have been various climate related predictions that have turned out to be hyperbolic and easy to adapt around for all species involved. humans have had to adapt to the changing planet for 10 thousands years. this will never stop no matter how much regulation or how much authoritarian governance returns us to some type of bronze age indigenous state. and the reality is countries like china aren't playing ball with these demonstrations of subservience to the progressive ideals. they will continue to innovate and build while we deconstruct ourselves over something we have no control over.

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Post by sien »

whymauri wrote: post #242
plandis wrote: post #230

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What hell do you see? The world is unequivocally getting better in terms of health, food supplies, education, economics, etc. I’d recommend reading Factfulness if you want data based evidence for what I’m saying.

There's going to be global famines within my lifetime and a refugee crisis measurable in the hundreds of millions of people. I would say the death toll is unfathomable, but the IPCC makes it very clear that countries worth of people will die. The Hell I see is the Hell the science has determined is all-but certain: the next 80 years will be a series of tragic trending videos, distant, until it directly affects _you_.

Can you please point out where in the IPCC report it makes it very clear that countries worth of people will die?

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Post by angelzen »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #226
frabbit wrote: post #213

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Exactly: our civilization, comfort, enjoyment and ease is built upon the relatively predictable and stable weather patterns. Why would anyone take the risk of messing with that? It's as though they assume that there will be generalized devastation but there will be some "safe place" which some powerful group can defend and use. Instead it's possible that maybe for one year New Zealand will be great, but then there wi…

The reason people find this line of argument frustrating is that it's always presented in a weird, dismissive tone which makes it clear you already didn't like the things you're proposing to get rid of. If you want to persuade people who are attached to their 2000Kgs of metal, it'll be more productive to include some examples of things you'll have to give up even though you like them.

Nobody is articulating a vision for the future.

OK, I'll stop driving my 2000kg of metal tomorrow. The first grocery shop is 25 minutes walking, one way. Maybe with a good degree of planning my family won't starve. But we also need to go to work and school, and these are not within walking distance. Sadly, I have to take that back: I won't stop driving my 2000kg of metal, because I don't see how we can possibly live without it. (We're living within the boundaries of a large North American city, not even in the suburbs.)

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

worrycue wrote: post #289
FooHentai wrote: post #268

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That Upton Sinclair quote "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it". Except here we're talking about upbringings, lifestyles, social position, and career all in one caboodle. So if we buy into that quote, this is an even wider example that perhaps has just as strong if not stronger potential for resistance to change. Also, there's a layered stack of argumen…

> isn't perfect so why bother Going to stick my neck out here. IMHO the people overzealously pushing green tech when it isn’t suitable isn’t helping. It just makes people skeptical when these zealots are the face of green tech. People aren’t stupid, they can see that these zealots are only interested in pushing green tech and don’t really care about their needs and wants. To some extend this bleeds over and tarnishes…

I don't want to flamebait by giving examples, but this is my issue with a lot of advocacy.

The True Believers try to push a radical/extreme set of changes. These changes have some level of adoption, but not as large as the True Believers want. There's a pushback by the general populace against the change. Moderates in the movement subsequently attempt to push smaller change, but get attacked from both sides: the True Believers for not believing strongly enough, and the populace for being associated with the changes.

I get really frustrated by basically every part of this cycle, especially when I agree the issue needs fixing. I understand _why_ it happens, but I sure wish it didn't.

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Post by noduerme »

over_bridge wrote: post #260
noduerme wrote: post #202

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We've had a shortage of onions in Oregon. A few hundred miles from where they're grown. But the reason is not enough truckers after the pandemic.

There's plenty of food for everyone on the planet but we are very poor at distributing it to everyone. It's terrible seeing fruit rotting on their trees due to lack of migrant workers to exploit and also people deliberately dumping supplies to keep prices high

>>> due to lack of migrant workers to exploit

What's your solution to this? Replacing migrant workers with locals by quadrupling the price of fruit? Or allowing more migrants in?

FWIW my family worked as day laborers and it wasn't viewed as exploitation but as a chance to stay in America and become legal. It was better than where they came from. My grandfather ended up becoming a translator and negotiator for the union, but he never had a bad word to say about how America had treated him.

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