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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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What do you mean by "a completely new OS"? Do you think the kernel needs to be re-written from scratch? Yeah, the current one has issues, but that seems like an unnecessarily large undertaking, and one that is also not likely to produce bug-free code. I'd have thought some kind of testing/fuzzing/formal analysis would be a better approach. Do you think the Win32/WPF/whatever APIs need to be thrown out and some other…

And what about drivers? It isn't like Apple where there are a handful of supported devices from the last three years the new OS would need to support. Drivers would either be buggy through whatever compatibility mode they create, or they'll drop support for a lot of hardware.

Just to be accurate, support for the newest macOS will go back about six years, not three.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

Month ago I installed Windows 10 and created a local account while connected to the internet, if I remember correctly it was hidden by 2 or 3 steps. Professional version.

This is correct, but it's only valid for Windows 10 Pro. For Windows 10 Home, being disconnected is the only solution, for now.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

I've been using various Linux and BSD flavours as my main desktop OS and also at work for over 15 years now and never had any major issue such as the one you describe. So now what are we going to do? How do we decide who is right and who is wrong? I don't understand these types of comments, if an alternative doesn't work for you then you keep using what you were in the first place. There's no problem here. What exact…

The original poster is correct. For some configurations Linux is a complete shit show of pain. And it is not stable over time. I had a nicely working T495 which is apparently officially supported by Ubuntu. Worked wonderfully for ages. Then about 3 months ago a kernel update broke it. It works for about ten minutes then the GPU driver craps itself.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

I've been using various Linux and BSD flavours as my main desktop OS and also at work for over 15 years now and never had any major issue such as the one you describe. So now what are we going to do? How do we decide who is right and who is wrong? I don't understand these types of comments, if an alternative doesn't work for you then you keep using what you were in the first place. There's no problem here. What exact…

My experience was the same until I started to use off-the-shelf or simply “consumer top” hardware, then it changed. It all shines and then you get a recent laptop or a mobo that aren’t a sped up version of IBM PC/AT or 8259. I also managed a small park of BSD and Linux boxes at work for a while.

What exactly are you suggesting, that you experienced a problem so it won't work for anyone else?

People can give it a try, but shouldn’t expect that it’s all okay once it shows a wallpaper. Committing to something like OS requires a prior knowledge of operational risks. I think this.

ReactOS in a nutshell: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U6d7E1uKSmg

They obviously make fun of it too shamelessly, but suggesting to use it… is it another level of trolling (no offense)?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Oh, there is a graph mode? Nevermind, I just crashed it with "sin(x)sin(y)<0"

Microsoft doing in 2021, what Apple did in 1999. (Microsoft PowerToys for XP had a graphing calculator but it doesn't support inequalities.) I coincidentally had to fire up Sheepshaver recently so I've got it on hand. I put that inequality in the MacOS 8 Graphing Calculator and it gave me a nice looking checkerboard. Except I had to write it as "sin(x) sin(y) sin(y))<0", which is pretty itself.

I was going for sin(x)sin(y)>0.1, but I never got that far with the Windows one. Here it is in Desmos, you can move the slider:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/izui2rwylh

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

> Linux is quite beginner friendly these days

Not only that - Linux as a standard Debian or Ubuntu system did also become astonishingly beginner-friendly for people who do not like to tinker with computers, and just use them to read mail, edit documents, and browse the web. It's literally setting up once, send them the laptop, it works for five years or more, without any servicing.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Windows 95, Windows XP and Windows 7 were the best.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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OS stability is not the thing that people are concerned about when criticising Windows 10. What has made me turn away from windows is the complete lack of trust I have that the OS will respect my privacy.

I still don't get why Apple/Google are totally fine to collect telemetry but Microsoft is somehow supposed to not do that.

Apple doesn't monetize their user's data, for one.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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It’s called Windows 10 LTSC and it’s great. Sadly, Microsoft won’t sell it to you. But it’s... out there.

FWIW, Enterprise is the same, but with more updates... which sadly install at whatever time W10 wants with no regard for active hours (not sure what's up with that).

In an enterprise you’re supposed to manage the computers, run your own updates server, set the install time yourself etcetera
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