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EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by berkes »

breakfastduck wrote: post #196
zibzab wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should add, the ruling is not really about the validity of the 30% fee. What EU seems to argue is this: 1. Apple is in phone business, Spotify music. So far so good... 2. Then apple wants to get into the music business too. Now they have an unfair advantage since Spotify must pay 30% to apple while apple music "pays" 0%. So apple use their dominance in one area (phones) to get an advantage in a totally different area…

Apple have been in the music business much longer than Spotify.

Why does it matter "who came first"?

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Post by ectopod »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #198
slver wrote: post #132

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So then if Apple Music internally pays 30% to App Store, we're all good by this definition.

That like how startbucks UK pays it's company in a different country a fee for using it's brand, and therefore has no profits in Uk and pays no tax here Totally legit

The law says that the fees paid for IP in this way have to be plausible. Franchising is a long-established business model and nobody would run a franchise if the franchise fee ate all the profit. So Starbucks' franchise fees are not plausible. Why doesn't HMRC challenge this? I've no idea.

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by badkitty99 »

Like many too-big-to-fail outfits, Apple and Google's products are so ubiquitous in our life. Since they both never actually have a finished software product, it is difficult (if not impossible) to even evaluate it. We’re stuck waiting for their update, as the answer to any problem or question. They’re Bill and Teding us with their ability to manufacture reality

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by endisneigh »

simion314 wrote: post #300
endisneigh wrote: post #280

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> If I want to deliver food can I ask my customers to use a Linux PC because I only have a Linux app? Can you tell your customers that your website only works on Safari? Sure why not? Businesses don’t have to do anything. They can and do support things arbitrarily and customers choose which business to engage with based off those decisions. Apple and Google are following the same rules. Hopefully those rules change,…

>Sure why not Are you trolling? or do not understand business?

I do understand business. You understand that customers are free to move on if they don't like a business' practices right? There are business's today whose websites only work on certain browsers, so I don't know what you're going on about to begin with.

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Post by simion314 »

ericmay wrote: post #285
simion314 wrote: post #267

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This is FUD. iOS will have the sandbox, if some shitty app ask "Do you want me to open the microphone now?" the user can still say NO, if the app asks "Please give me access to location!" the user can still say No, or Apple could even be clever and offer the user the ability to give fake location data, From your point of view iOS users are so stupid that they shold not be allowed to use a OSX device or a browser(not…

Idk what FUD means. But long story short, I like things as they are and don't want them to change. If developers don't like that they can kick rocks. I'd rather have no apps and no App Store than to see things change, frankly. > From your point of view iOS users are so stupid that they No.. that's not my point of view or relevant at all to anything I wrote. > shold not be allowed to use a OSX device or a browser Well…

FUD = fear , uncertainty and doubt.

>But long story short, I like things as they are and don't want them to change. If developers don't like that they can kick rocks. I'd rather have no apps and no App Store than to see things change, frankly.

Who would force you to change? you could buy the US iPhone version with the diamond handcuffs.

>Well, judging by all the requests I get to fix things on computers versus iPhones...

Then good job to Apple PR and fanboys, the stories about Apple malware and viruses were burried very deep.

>Yes you have to give the browser permission.

So why this model will not work if you sideload an app? Do you need genius to check the menus of the app so you feel secure?

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

breakfastduck wrote: post #209
dannyw wrote: post #97

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Actually, yes, Spotify does have to be available on iOS devices if Spotify chooses to. Apple will be slapped with aggressive enforcement action if they pull something like that. Apple isn't a deity.

This is so utterly bonkers. You're essentially saying if a crisp manufacturer wanted to sell in Asda, but Asda didn't want to sell them, Asda could be slapped with enforcement action for not selling the crisps?

If Asda is the only shop for half of the population, then yes. Especially if Asda had their own crisps and don't allow anyone else to sell theirs.

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by HDMI_Cable »

breakfastduck wrote: post #196
zibzab wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should add, the ruling is not really about the validity of the 30% fee. What EU seems to argue is this: 1. Apple is in phone business, Spotify music. So far so good... 2. Then apple wants to get into the music business too. Now they have an unfair advantage since Spotify must pay 30% to apple while apple music "pays" 0%. So apple use their dominance in one area (phones) to get an advantage in a totally different area…

Apple have been in the music business much longer than Spotify.

I haven’t read the EU report, but I’m guessing they’re either talking about the streaming business, or they didn’t care about the iPod.

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Post by josephcsible »

philliphaydon wrote: post #181
the-dude wrote: post #58

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I wonder if they do that, if they will be pressured into allowing competing stores too. Seems inevitable.

Let’s hope not.

Why don't you like that idea?

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by pornel »

randomluck040 wrote: post #218
zibzab wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should add, the ruling is not really about the validity of the 30% fee. What EU seems to argue is this: 1. Apple is in phone business, Spotify music. So far so good... 2. Then apple wants to get into the music business too. Now they have an unfair advantage since Spotify must pay 30% to apple while apple music "pays" 0%. So apple use their dominance in one area (phones) to get an advantage in a totally different area…

Isn’t leveraging the market share with the iPhone/iPad for a lot of other things (Arcade, AirTag, ApplePencil, …) in the same category?

Which is why Epic and Tile are complaining too.

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by berkes »

Mindwipe wrote: post #55
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #46

Since this is an EU case, that should mean it'll actually do something, and won't take a decade and a half to conclude. The penalty won't be the big deal here, it'll be what Apple is prohibited from doing. And it'll be really exciting if the precedent set blows back on the entire 30%-rent-seeking-platform-industry.

I'm hopeful Apple might be forced to divest the App Store into a separate company entirely tbh.

It would be interesting to see if that new company ventures into Android as well.

I don't own an iPhone, but would welcome a professional alternative to f-droid, and Google play on my phone. A well curated appstore would be the first thing I configure on "moms new samsung".

If the careful curation, the QA and "rent-seeking" of the Apple-app-store is truly as valuable as the users say it is, that store would be just as valuable on other phones than the iPhone, not?

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