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Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by oblio »

rsync wrote: post #155
pkulak wrote: post #146

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It looks like a Honda CUV or Toyota Rav-4 to me. Not sure where your outrage is coming from.

No, I'm asking - is this a VW, but electric, or is this an e-initiative space-car ? Genuinely unsure. I would classify the Chevy Bolt (which we own) as the latter .

Well, not typical for HN, a lazy question. But I'll bite. You could have looked at the video, it's only 2 minutes. ID.4 is a pretty boring/normal looking car.

Now, for the e-initiative, it's an e-initiative all right. A $86 billion over 5 years e-initiative (https://www.reuters.com/article/volkswagen-strategy-idUSKBN2...) :-)

ID.4 is based on an entirely new VW platform (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MEB_platform) which is already used for 6 models and it will probably be used by 60+ in 2 years' time.

It's practically VW's future. They're betting the farm on it.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by lttlrck »

fassssst wrote: post #102
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

Yea, I had a ID.4 pre-ordered but canceled it after I realized how absurd the price is. I bought a utility e-bike instead and that was probably one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I barely use my car anymore and biking is way more fun and greener than any car.

I was thinking about an ID.Buzz until I took my Golf to a dealer for a 20K service. Then they tried to sell me tires for 4 x the price of Discount Tire - the tires on the car are absolutely fine - almost 1/4". Then they decided not to rotate my tires due to "tire condition" - to spite me? - and nickel and dimed me on a pair of wipers.

I don't want to renew my relationship with a dealer. Especially not with an electric car where I really would be beholden to them until the independent shops catch up - if they ever do.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Someone1234 wrote: post #78
CameronNemo wrote: post #63

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Isn't this short term thinking? That is the upfront cost. What about the total lifetime cost of the vehicle?

Gas is down to $3 and electric $12/kWh, with the state now charging electric vehicles higher registration fees yearly to offset the gas tax savings. There's likely small savings every year, but we're talking almost $20K price difference, maybe $12K with federal (and no state) rebate, you aren't going to be breaking even. Plus fun fact: My insurance would go up a lot with a Model 3 from my current vehicle, 25% more a…

Electricity costs an average of $0.12/kWh in the US, not $12. It varies between about $0.083/kWh in Washington state to as much as $0.40/kWh in parts of Hawaii.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by anon776 »

analog31 wrote: post #270
rubicon33 wrote: post #242

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I'll never understand this. You presumably are biking on the street, at best in a bike lane, at worst in the shoulder, and are placing so much confidence in other people to not hit you. Given how SHIT other people are at driving, I have no desire whatsoever to be on a bicycle in front of them.

I'm a cyclist, and use my bike to get around town, though I also own a car. Of course I can't completely dismiss your sentiment. Possibly my most important safety measure is route choice. The streets that I ride on have very little car traffic. This includes separated bike paths, but also quiet neighborhood streets. Fortunately this is possible in the town where I live. In decades of riding, I've never experienced a…

This 100%. When I bike to work I take a route that is 2 miles longer than when I drive. Just to avoid a few left turns and a few busy roads witch sketchy bike lanes. Now that I have an e-bike the commute is actually really fun and I get to work with energy.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by frosted-flakes »

rconti wrote: post #261
admax88q wrote: post #93

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> If, OTOH you are able to switch to a mindset where you keep your energy status in the back of your mind (and an EV car helps you with this a great deal) then you might be ready. Honestly that's a huge turn off for me. I have enough things on the back of my mind, tracking my "energy status" would have a significant opportunity cost by displacing more productive things.

I also track my fuel range in the back of my head when driving my ICE vehicles.

I don't. I drive it until it beeps at me that it's low on fuel (typically at the 900 km mark, after which I still have 100 km reserve). Then I fill up at the next service station I happen to come across and pump $50 of fuel into the tank in 2-3 minutes. I never seek out a service station. For this reason, ICE cars effectively have infinite range.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by rsynnott »

tzs wrote: post #90
Someone1234 wrote: post #62

I feel like the prices on electric vehicles are starting to become their biggest hurdle (instead of range, availability, or charging which are solved enough). If you're from California or New York, I'm sure $40K starting for this or a Model Y seems complexly within your means, but there's a large chunk of the US (by population AND land) where People love to spam $40K US "average" while entirely ignoring that the aver…

I'd definitely like my next car to be electric, and to be an SUV, and I don't want it to be cost much more than a fairly basic configured Honda CR-V. 2021 CR-Vs start at about $26k. My current car is a 2006 CR-V with about 80k miles on it. It's in good shape and I drive less than 1200 miles/year so should be able to stick with it it for a long time. My plan is to keep driving my CR-V until: (1) an electric SUV compar…

At 1200 miles a year, you should possibly question whether you need a car at all, tbh. Renting when you need one might work out cheaper.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by TulliusCicero »

foepys wrote: post #104
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #94

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The best-selling[1] vehicle in America, the Ford F-150, had an average sale price of $47,174 in 2018[2]. I'm sure it's only gone up since. Also, the latest version of the map you shared shows the F-150 being the most popular vehicle in 18 states, none of which are California or New York: https://insurify.com/insights/most-popular-cars-in-america-2... --- [1] https://www.autobytel.com/ford/f-150/car-buying-guides/why-…

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Those are used for work like farms and are tax deductible.

You're kidding yourself if you think most of the buyers for these actually need a pickup truck.

I lived in Bama for a couple years and everybody and their brother had a pickup.

Re: Volkswagen launches its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4

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Post by grecy »

Koshkin wrote: post #112
fassssst wrote: post #102

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Yea, I had a ID.4 pre-ordered but canceled it after I realized how absurd the price is. I bought a utility e-bike instead and that was probably one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. I barely use my car anymore and biking is way more fun and greener than any car.

Yeah, California is one of the very few places on Earth where you can do that.

I lived in the Yukon, Canada for 4 years, and rode my bike 365 days a year.

Yes, even in -40 and beyond temperatures I rode. In fact, Whitehorse has the highest rate of bike ridership in Canada!

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