YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by shakezula » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

dmos62 wrote: post #255

3minus1 wrote: post #239

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> Too many people are leaving the platform A quick google search shows the platform has 2 billion monthly active users[1]. A number that has only been growing. Why do you claim people are leaving? Is it because of a handful of high-profile cases, or maybe you live in a hackernews/techie thought bubble where everyone is annoyed at youtube? The claim that people are leaving, or will leave is just completely baseless im…

I too don't see people leaving. We can complain all we like. Nothing will change until there's an alternative.

Eh, I've seen several content creators I follow make loud and pointed moves away from YouTube after they've been targeted or after a high-profile case gets some news.

People are leaving, and if YouTube doesn't fix its moderation, it'll only get worse. There are alternatives, just none that have done anywhere close to as well as YouTube does. It's a good product, it literally just needs to not be moderated into the ground.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by int_19h » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 11:18 PM UTC

kingsuper20 wrote: post #121

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That is why we need Copyright reform to take the teeth out of media companies. Return copyright in the US back to the original constitutional limits

Never'll happen. “Congress shall have power… to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.” As I read it, the law should be formed to maximize progress, not to maximize value of an idea. But, a large amorphous group of citizens will never overcome a small, highly-concentrated self interested…

Groups like NRA are as powerful as they are, despite their relatively small membership numbers, because said membership is really dedicated to one particular issue, to the point of coordinated single-issue voting in the primaries. So if you can find enough people who are willing to vote solely on copyright in the primaries, it might actually work.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by int_19h » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #56

foepys wrote: post #22

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Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries. "We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff." "We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people." "Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."

And those things are paid for. It would be perfectly reasonable if you had to pay per minute for uploading video and people had to pay for a subscription to watch it. That's just not what is expected for a mass platform today.

It's expected because the expectations are set by the existing platforms. And the reason why Google specifically is actively promoting those expectations, is that it makes ads the only viable business model for content creators; and Google's primary source of income is their ad services, so it maintains their dominant market position.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by int_19h » Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 11:30 PM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #174

seriousquestion wrote: post #172

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That's an outdated view. Youtube now bends to activists and political winds.

So what is the activist political position on WPA2 vulnerabilities? You see what you want to see, but YouTube hosts an overwhelming abundance of evidence that contradicts your claim.

The activist political position is that targeted hacking is a major political threat (DNC hacks etc). Thus, any material that sounds like it might be providing assistance to that is potentially politically volatile.

Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability

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Post by bluecalm » Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 9:12 PM UTC

Silhouette wrote: post #150

bluecalm wrote: post #118

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Maybe we could have that if the uploader is responsible, not the platform. Want to upload fast and not having your content taken down - deal with the legal issues yourself. Want anonymous uploading and/or some protection - deal with automatic systems as employing enough people is just too expensive.

Maybe we could have that if the uploader is responsible, not the platform. Maybe we could have the uploader host their own content, and do away with hosting platforms and their gatekeeping altogether? I can see little reason today that well-established technologies and individual hosting arrangements couldn't offer similar value to whatever YouTube or some other centralised hosting service offers. We are talking abou…

I think it's mainly about convenience. It's like with businesses starting their stores on Shopify: "hey big corp, please handle mundane/technical stuff for me and just let me sell stuff/post content".