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Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Again, the vast majority of the 150,000 are not R&D and don't really have anything to do with product development to even matter. Yammer, Satyas QnA - which I'm glad you mentioned because organized groups send a representative every time to talk about government contracts - quarterly all hands, etc. Not to mention the Surface/Hololens org, the org responsible for the tech, holds all hands for their teams very frequen…

Yes and at Google each individual employee can raise concerns. Not some "org head" who may ask softball questions because his promotion is directly controlled by the CEO. I can't believe you're comparing this cherry picked gathering to a setting where literally anyone can go up and ask a question. And then you justify leadership standing their ground. Ha. So Microsoft leadership is all benevelant, never wrong. There'…

Sure thing mate. I'm not contesting on what available avenues are available for Googlers, perhaps you know more than I do. Just stating the factual observations, repeated cases of an individual employees getting fired for raising concerns. You briefly describe your anecdote, I'm describing my anecdote. I'm neutral on Google for most things, I use their products and I don't really care about their privacy issues.

No need to cherry pick my previous reply, I'll restate since some parts must have flew by :). Higher ups are very accessible to each individual employee because you really can just go up to them. Back then, the CVP always swung by our office to say hi pretty frequently. The message boards exist. And people group up for QnA because it's effective. Employees pranked their bosses without retaliation.

I don't even have a reason to justify leadership anymore. Just stating the clear facts, that the majority trust them to the right thing. Beats me why C-level is popular internally. They respond to employee concerns when it mattered, and stood their ground when it didn't. No need to make assumptions here about people being meek, lets use facts.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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post #301

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Yes and at Google each individual employee can raise concerns. Not some "org head" who may ask softball questions because his promotion is directly controlled by the CEO. I can't believe you're comparing this cherry picked gathering to a setting where literally anyone can go up and ask a question. And then you justify leadership standing their ground. Ha. So Microsoft leadership is all benevelant, never wrong. There'…

Sure thing mate. I'm not contesting on what available avenues are available for Googlers, perhaps you know more than I do. Just stating the factual observations, repeated cases of an individual employees getting fired for raising concerns. You briefly describe your anecdote, I'm describing my anecdote. I'm neutral on Google for most things, I use their products and I don't really care about their privacy issues. No n…

I think we're going in circles. I"ll let it rest. I appreciate that you engaged in a civil way. Are you still at Microsoft ? Is Azure the alpha org now ?

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Without examples of your claim, how would I know?

Tell me one avenue where employees have complained ? Satyas QnA ? And like you said no one does anything there. You really believe 150k people are all aligned with military contracts ? At Google there are at least 4 company level avenues to raise your voice. You can Google them. And Google has walked back on contracts after backlash on employees. So clearly there is more proactive action here. At Microsoft there is b…

Yeah, Google would never shut down internal dissent:

https://www.wired.com/story/google-shakes-up-its-tgif-and-en...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/googles-thanksgiving-four-pr...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/23/google-...

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Tell me one avenue where employees have complained ? Satyas QnA ? And like you said no one does anything there. You really believe 150k people are all aligned with military contracts ? At Google there are at least 4 company level avenues to raise your voice. You can Google them. And Google has walked back on contracts after backlash on employees. So clearly there is more proactive action here. At Microsoft there is b…

Yeah, Google would never shut down internal dissent: https://www.wired.com/story/google-shakes-up-its-tgif-and-en... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/googles-thanksgiving-four-pr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/23/google-...

At least Googlers can dissent and protest. Not one big company comes close to the amount of times Googlers can and have affected change. No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Yeah, Google would never shut down internal dissent: https://www.wired.com/story/google-shakes-up-its-tgif-and-en... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/googles-thanksgiving-four-pr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/23/google-...

At least Googlers can dissent and protest. Not one big company comes close to the amount of times Googlers can and have affected change. No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one.

What does the many firings say about their ability to dissent and protest? I'm don't think your now unemployed colleagues would agree with that assessment. What is incredible about Google is not how much better they are than every other company but how good they are at selling employees their internal propaganda.[0]

>No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one.

I don't owe Google and any trillion dollar company anything, especially not the benefit of the doubt. All these companies are evil but only Googlers seems insistent on convincing themselves about how good and moral they are.

[0] https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1344932160331866112

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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While I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, a good chunk of the contract must be for R&D. The US Army isn't buying a ready made, commercial off-the-shelf product.

Commercial AR/VR products also have the cost of R&D factored into the price tag.

Commercial AR/VR products are not designed to military specifications, nor have only one possible customer.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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At least Googlers can dissent and protest. Not one big company comes close to the amount of times Googlers can and have affected change. No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one.

What does the many firings say about their ability to dissent and protest? I'm don't think your now unemployed colleagues would agree with that assessment. What is incredible about Google is not how much better they are than every other company but how good they are at selling employees their internal propaganda.[0] >No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one. I don't owe Google and a…

Have fun at your perfect company.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Sure, but the process of getting there will either directly physically harm some humans or just otherwise be highly financially inefficient (in the case of developing wartime technologies which have no wartime purpose).

These aren't bombs. A heads-up-display has more chance keeping infantry safe and reducing the chances of misidentifying an innocent bystander as an enemy combatant.

If infantry are more safe, they are more likely to be deployed. This merely prolongs the greater problem.

I want everyone to be safe, but rather than providing various safeguards and defenses, I suggest we avoid the conflict entirely.

Workplace accidents are still quite common, and that's a place that could benefit from heads-up AR type aids.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Yeah, Google would never shut down internal dissent: https://www.wired.com/story/google-shakes-up-its-tgif-and-en... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/googles-thanksgiving-four-pr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/23/google-...

At least Googlers can dissent and protest. Not one big company comes close to the amount of times Googlers can and have affected change. No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one.

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Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Yeah, Google would never shut down internal dissent: https://www.wired.com/story/google-shakes-up-its-tgif-and-en... https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/27/googles-thanksgiving-four-pr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/23/google-...

At least Googlers can dissent and protest. Not one big company comes close to the amount of times Googlers can and have affected change. No company is perfect. Look inside yours before always finding flaws in one.

Hahaha now that your account got banned you can't respond you cuck. Googlers can't dissent and protest, they'll just get laid off you neurotic fuck.

Glad you got laid off, no company should suffer your mental retardation.

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