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Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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My understanding of how Microsoft won this bid is they had a special team of Hololens developers work overtime to setup a special demo for the US Armed forces, where they rented out a warehouse and setup a maze. Then the armed forces decision makers could run around and "shoot terrorists" that were overlaid on their hololens.

It is amazing a demo this stupid resulted in a 21 billion windfall for Microsoft. I'm only posting this because this is such a terrible use of taxpayer dollars.

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From what I've seen the two key use cases are 1) being able to see a "gun's eye" view, enabling you to poke your weapon out of cover and fire without exposing yourself 2) faster friend-foe identification through the AR overlay. Both of those seem like significant upgrades and arguably worth pursuing, but you can be sure a bunch of other nonsense will probably get tacked on that may make it worse than useless (like gi…

Actually, Microsoft's involvement came about when leadership decided that the investment in Clippy needed to be recouped. After some creative brainstorming, it was determined that soldiers needed a heads-up display to track their ammo reserves. Ammo is stored in clips, which is a natural fit for Clippy to keep track of.

Regrettably, the joke doesn't work since ammunition is kept in magazines or belts, not clips.

(Is there even a firearm commonly used by a modern military today that still uses clips?)

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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And here, ladies and gents, is why companies like Microsoft, will eternally resist getting aligned with internal employee groups Resisting selling to government entities, whether ICE or the Army. There is way too much money to be lost.

I mean, outspoken internal employee groups exist and higher ups acknowledge them. Satya drives home the empathy and feelings message more than any other CEO. And AFAIK, I don't recall an instance of Microsoft suppressing an employee's voice similar to what happens at Google frequently. They tried getting their employees to participate in their internal social networks but it never caught any attention. Microsoft just…

LOL Microsoft has few forums to even voice your concern. You can't even share your salaries within Microsoft. It's such a joke to tout it as more employee friendly than Google. For starters it pays lesser across the board. Google has also backed out of many contracts when dissent was raised.

The voices aren't suppressed at Microsoft, because there're no avenues to raise them anyway.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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People on the ground never have use for such tech. These deals are all political and the actual equipment arrives by the truckloads and sits unboxed. When people rant about ridiculous military budgets and spending it isn't about cutting soldiers' salaries but shit like this.

The army has a little under 500K active-duty soldiers. As a gross overestimation, if they were delivering one headset per soldier, napkin math shows: $22B / 500K = $44K per headset. Even if the tech were super useful and every single soldier got one, that price tag seems absolutely absurd. How can anyone be okay with this?

It's $22b over 10 years and I doubt they'd be keeping a 2021 model around until 2031.

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The last time the US went into a war because there were malevolent people in the world who posed a direct threat to the nation was in the 1940s

How about the Korean and Vietnam wars? Iraq? Afghanistan? Maybe they weren't officially declared wars like WW1/2 but if sending troops to a country to fight doesn't constitute wars I don't know what does.

and what about latin america.

there’s no end to the abuses of the US military around the world, and MS is helping these killers in exchange of money.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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FTFY: Corrected off-by-one error in the AR ammo counter to correctly match actual rounds in small arm. ;)

New bug: Counter follows strict definition of small arm, only displays count of rounds in the chamber while ignoring the magazine/belt.

Note: Counter underflows with weapons exceeding programmed capacity. Firing negative rounds may have unpredictable behavior.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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I work on AR/VR in the pharma field. It's not super close to downrange applications, but I may be able to handle some questions. To your concerns, I think they are very valid. Weight, as always, is a primary concern for the infantry. The Hololens2 is not a light system to just wear, let alone with a helmet. Additional issues like battery, signal, and other unforeseens are likely large concerns too. That said, I think…

Integrate data for who? I feel the common footsoldier is not the aim here, this is just more metrics for the comms to use and if that. My scepticism lies in the fact that bulletproof vests, widely used across different countries, was not an invention of the overfunded military-industrial complex, but an ex marine who hacked it together in the back of his garage with a rusty fork.

That's not true. Modern body armor was available in Vietnam [1], and was the result of an ARPA research program. It was expensive and rarely issued though until later, but the technology (boron-carbide plates) is similar to what is used today. You're thinking of Richard Davis, the inventor of the police-issued Kevlar vest. He invented it in the mid 1970s, after getting in a gunfight while working as a pizza delivery driver.

[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iw3_4RGaDlSDXmeYkSYu-rQu...

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That is a gross over-simplification but it is based in a popular narrative so I don't blame you for it. The men who tried to avert WWII are mocked and shunned without any thought for the context they occupied. The popular consensuse after WWI was that ambitious elites had funelled the world into war seeking the glory of a previous age. And in the end, average people paid a terrible cost. Due to their ignorance of the…

With the situation that we had at the time, what do you think the Allies should have done as Hitler marched into Poland? Declared war? Or offered to make love? Sometimes you need to be prepared to say 'no' and back it up with a stick. If you've only invested in 'love' what the fuck are you going to do now?

This is quiet a false dichotomy you're running with here. You write as if the only choice is between funding global military efforts at their current levels or caving to the Nazis.

Of course declaring war on Germany upon their invasion of Poland was the right thing to do. But it doesn't make declaring war before that the even righter thing to do. And it has little bearing on our choices today, that was another time. You can't use Hitler to justify WWI or the Crimean war or the Punic Wars. What makes him a better justification for building the war machines in Iraq or Aghanistan?

There are many choices. We could spend the same money we do now on the military but only focus on defensive weapons. We could educe our spending on military by half and still be funding our military far above the level of most other countries. We could significantly draw down our military as we did after nearly every war in our history. Those are all choices. But we choose to spend incredible sums on forces which can project power around the entire world. We do that for a reason. It isn't entirely sinister but it isn't entirely altruistic either. In the end, we do it because it gives us power. For the exact reason the Athenians grew their "alliance" sometimes at the point of a sword. It gave them power.

Putting that all aside, the best case you make for war is that it might reduce suffering and prevent tyranny. Well that is precisely the best case for publicly funded scientific, medical, safety and poverty efforts. Which is exactly the OP's point.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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If the US army wants to supply one to every soldier then they will need much more than 500K units. Military equipment breaks all the time and it’s not because of poor build quality, it is constantly being put through the most extreme conditions possible. Conditions that are hard to imagine as a civilian.

OK, they'll need much more than 1 per soldier. But a Hololens 2 Industrial Edition costs $5k. This works out to $44k per soldier, and obviously not every soldier in the Army will get or need one. Let's get real, this is just outrageous, typical boondoggle military spending.

While I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment, a good chunk of the contract must be for R&D. The US Army isn't buying a ready made, commercial off-the-shelf product.

Re: Microsoft wins $21.9B contract with U.S. Army to supply AR headsets

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Anyone work this technology and can talk about it (without breaking whatever NDA of course)? I'm a former infantryman and ... let's just say I'm _extremely_ skeptical of this kind of technology for all but the most niche use-cases (think, AR for the driver in the hole of the truck). Obviously for pilots stuff similar to this has been around for a while, but the article is not really clear about how exactly this would…

Former Infantry here also but still serving part time.

I think the immediate use is for training. The Army is big on simulators for all MOS's because it saves resources, reduces training complexity, and reduces risk. Sims such as VBS3, EST, VCOT, UGT are mostly required these days for various purposes. This could even possibly function as a better MILES or replace the fleet of OPFOR vehicle analogues at NTC. So, potentially there is money to be saved while creating more realistic training.

Maybe in a few decades the software stack will be solid enough and the hardware miniaturized enough to use in combat. The similar success story might be the FA's venerable AFATDS, which has been around for decades and very reliably brings rounds on target.

Worst case, it ends up as extra weight for graded positions to carry in RS. ;)

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