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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by sudosysgen » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:41 PM UTC

RHSeeger wrote: post #126

__alexs wrote: post #102

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> China puts their own citizens in concentration camps. Is putting other countries citizens in concentration camps somehow morally superior? > They're using machine learning to generate social scores. America also has this they just call it a "credit score" or "klout". > If you don't like America or the UK, you can leave. Wow all my US expat friends who constantly complain about having to pay US taxes despite living…

> Wow all my US expat friends who constantly complain about having to pay US taxes despite living here in the UK must have things totally wrong then. If you are a US citizen, you are expected to pay a certain amount of US taxes even while living abroad. Presumably, this is because you still benefit from bring US citizen while living abroad. > No it's racist to ignore the injustices we commit in the west while condemn…

The motivation for the hypocrisy, if we're assuming good faith, is either chauvinism or racism.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by chrischen » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:41 PM UTC

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #52

rich_sasha wrote: post #38

If this is just Realpolitik/hardware independence, fine, but security..? Any worthwhile Internet traffic should be encrypted in 2020, and if it isn’t, Huawei probably isn’t the most immediate concern. And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? Comments welcome, I know zilch about telecoms hardware.

Your questions aren't about telecoms hardware, but about politics and the international flow of power. China is slated to take over the world economically. Their political model has the potential to spread around the world. These are attempts to limit China's capacity to grow as fast while inhibiting their capacity to knock out, intercept, or backdoor critical infrastructure.

Frankly their political model is already spreading, since blocking foreign companies from local markets, mass surveillance, extra-legal imprisonment of suspected terrorists, war on encryption, is something the US has been more and more adopting.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by dang » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

jaekash wrote: post #216

throwawaybab323 wrote: post #211

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No, actually I'm referring to almost every piece of legislature in each of the us states. In which the first to ratify the sanctions being Tennessee a republican state. http://jewishobservernashville.org/2015/04/22/tennessee-legi... But I assume all you did was a quick google search to confirm your bias. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/anti-bds-legislation Hmm, It seems the majority of the states to ratify resol…

> No, actually I'm referring to almost every piece of legislature in each of the us states. In which the first to ratify the sanctions being Tennessee a republican state. http://jewishobservernashville.org/2015/04/22/tennessee-legi... . Individual US states is not the same as the "The US". And what you are linking to is not sanctions and again has no state-actionable consequences against BDS that I can see. It is a c…

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by inetknght » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:42 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #249

dang wrote: post #242

All: HN has been seeing a dismaying increase in nationalistic flamewar. This is not allowed here. I know it feels important when you're caught up in the intensity of such feelings, but it is not interesting , which is what HN is for. Worse, it has the effect on interesting discussion that tank battles have on a city park. If you don't have something thoughtful and substantive to say, please don't post until you do. D…

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

> This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place.

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by sudosysgen » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:43 PM UTC

bluerobotcat wrote: post #97

deadfish wrote: post #73

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You can leave China. There are millions of Chinese nationals living overseas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gui_Minhai Can you though? Gui Minhai was a Hong Kong bookseller who had become a Swedish citizen. He was kidnapped while in Thailand and was moved to China. There he was denied consular access.

That seems very similar to what a certain US citizen that now lives in Russia almost had happen to them.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by dang » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:45 PM UTC

ardit33 wrote: post #85

throwawaybab323 wrote: post #66

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Your point is? Every nation does this with their indigenous population. Yet you don't seem to be outraged at the fact native americans are raped and murdered almost everyday in america.

This is the typical Chinese bot I am talking about.... fresh account and your logic doesn't make sense.

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by dang » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:46 PM UTC

blunderkid wrote: post #94

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #30

I'm constantly seeing westerners whine about Chinese human rights violations while simultaneously ignoring the HR violations occurring everywhere else, especially in the west. American cops routinely kill people. Yet, how many people have died in Hong Kong because of their protests? The notion that China lacks 'proper civil society' is in my mind rooted in a western sense of orientalism and good old fashioned racism.…

Yo "Andy", you have nothing to offer by way of why huawei should not be banned. You go on a rant about racism and western war crimes which even if true don't imply that huawei is innocent and should not be banned. You my friend are a nut case or more likely a CCP sympathizer if not an bloody agent.

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by Aperocky » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:47 PM UTC

dicomdan wrote: post #286

dang wrote: post #249

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This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

Can you present evidence of moderation not having a one sided bias? Every time I see anything critical of the US / Europe / Canada and other liberal democracies it's sitting at the top, no matter how unsubstantiated. While every time there's anything that puts CCP in a bad light there's strong moderation because it's "not interesting" (even though this particular event is objectively very noteworthy in tech world and…

How does UK banning Huawei puts CCP in a bad light?

If you see things critical of US/Europe/Canada sitting and not strongly moderated - that's because people can usually hold rational and informed discussion on those subject. (btw this one is sitting as well? is it not?)

I don't see the same when it come to China, it just gets flooded by propaganda from both sides, and it devolves into a flamewar. People start accusing each other for being spies and shills, and wishing ill on an entire people because of where they're born and how they happened to be governed. And that doesn't belong to HN and should be moderated, if you like information or discussion that conform to your existing bias you can definitely participate at /r/worldnews.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by chrischen » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:47 PM UTC

advanced-DnD wrote: post #271

typon wrote: post #36

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This is why the Chinese strategy is not to give in to US bullying but create an alternative order in the world. Either the US comes to terms with it or we see the US empire lash out even harder

An alternative where criticizing the CCP or that Pooh will end you up in jail? An alternative where China claim my country's ocean, far from its Mainland? No thank you. Stop pushing "China is victim of bully" or "China is here to save you from evil West" rhetoric.

China claiming your ocean is exactly the same political power clashing as US claiming UK’s 5G networks.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by franklampard » Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 7:48 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #182

chosenbreed37 wrote: post #162

Honest question. Can someone explain why the comment below was flagged? I can see why some might disagree but I fail to see any problematic about any of the statements made. I think of HN as one of the few places were people can have open discussions where everyone is free to state their opinion and have it up for debate/rebuttal. "I disagree. Reports about China from many western media tend to exaggerate things abou…

Because it is false equivalence of the highest order. - Yes, the US has a police brutality problem. (Though not near as bad) - Yes, the US has a government corruption problem. (Though not near as bad) That acknowledged: * At no point will you disappear in the US for criticizing the government. * At no point will you be placed into a concentration camp and tortured. * At no point will you be barred from participating…

> Yes, the US has a government corruption problem. (Though not near as bad)

I don’t know about this. the U.S. is corrupt to its core.

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