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Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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> To top it all off, I felt I had to be a version of what I thought a good male CEO was, so that I wouldn’t be judged or treated differently. It would take me years before I realized how delusional I was. I became a better and happier leader by being honest in who I was. So one of the main problems as female founder was to imitate men’s idealized CEO role? Men also suffer trying to imitate idealized roles, but we do…

> good insight on some of the struggles female founders face which aren’t always obvious for men.

Yes, and especially since people tend to try to hide their struggles so no one knows about it

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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> The general pattern of pretending everything is ok is one of my least favorite things about tech culture. This goes way beyond tech. It is permeating the business world in general and society at large as well. "How are you? Fine!" -> I'm stable and we can do business. VS: "How are you? Well, to be honest I'm having a lousy day, I've been ill for the last three weeks and three of my customers have left." -> This cus…

One problem is that there isn't a social script for saying "I have been having a low-key mental health crisis for the past 18 months" in a way that people don't interpret as a request for help.

And also, it's none of the other person's business. Why should they care about you, in particular? They're just some random person looking for a solution to their problem. They're not your fucking therapist. That's what friends are for.

If you don't like ripping yourself to pieces, get out of the rat race after 3 years working as a programmer and live on cheap land away from cities (if you're in the US), growing your own vegetables. It's a much better life.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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Maybe it's unfortunate, but nobody said being a leader is easy. It's why most (including myself) are not capable of such a role

Could be, but I assume leadership roles are hard not for keeping up appearances but for the actual work involved in being a leader. That we see hiding emotions as a defining/filtering attribute seems something arbitrary that society decided was an attribute leaders should have.

I don't think it's arbitrary at all.

You want to pick strong, resilient leaders/trade partners/partners/employees. If you had some magical way to order people based on actual strength/resilience/grit, most people would (rightly) pick those highest on that scale.

Unfortunately, the only thing we have to go on is apparent strength. So everyone learns to pretend, to whatever degree they think is necessary.

Those who actually are that strong/resilient (for example, psychopaths monofocused on profit and power who don't care about working 80+ hour weeks) don't have to pretend so much. People who are more human (a euphemism for 'weaker', because everyone's terrified of the idea of someone actually being better than them) have to pretend more.

But you see how the solution here can't just be to lower the bar of apparent strength- or even how it's not clear how you could possibly do that? Everyone still innately prefers to work with the more confident person, all else being equal! And for good reason! It's an okay heuristic!

Even if you socially decree that 'it's okay to be weaker sometimes :) #behuman', people will just nod along and then go and reveal their preferences by who they choose to associate with anyway. And are they wrong? Do we want to rig things up so we select for CEOs who publicly show their weakness? I encourage you to try!

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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I'll be even worse and note that this is a story that is fundamentally about a woman achieving reproductive success - and it sounds pretty miserable. The male version of this story is something like how much easier it is to sleep with an attractive women because a CEO title is perceived as high status. Most people shape their lives around having a family - the incentives here are not favourable for females seeking ou…

Yes! This is spot-on. This is a social construct and a good example why I think we should focus more on male gender roles in order to achieve better equality. Males have strict roles, expectations and reward structures in society, just like we all do. Equality movements have expected men to step down without giving them an alternative way of achieving self-worth. They still have the same pressures applied, but are ex…

You're a man, right?

Traditional male power and status seems pretty baked-in. That's why it's traditional. You can try and repress it, but sovereignty is conserved: in the end, like 90% of young men all want sex, because those are the genetics, and they'll compete to be the ones to have it.

You can try and social-condition men to repress their drives, and you'll get a bunch of neurotic weirdos who lash out and/or commit vile acts in the darkness.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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> Personally, I would love to see a lot more female developers. See there you betray a rather sinister idea. If you had said that you want to see any unfair barriers to entry removed, or that you want to ensure equal exposure and opportunity across all people and all fields then I could support it. But instead you made your desires quite clear: you just want female developers. That means the gender, physical appearan…

Oh brother. People aren't work-producing robots, developers included. Different types of people bring different types of experiences, opinions, and viewpoints. So you'll make better products if you have a more diverse group of people making them. On a personal level, wouldn't you like to work with a more diverse group of people as well?

>Wouldn't you like to work with a more diverse group of people as well?

I don't think anyone would really like to work with a truly diverse group of people. A truly diverse group would -all speak different languages -all be different genders (their origin culture, from which they immigrated last week, has some alternate view of gender) -all have different views on what's normal and what's tabboo -all have vastly different religious/quasi-religious views

The hip, trendy open-plan office would be an open war zone between the eunuch sun-god worshipper and the revivalist post-truth anti-christianite on the first day.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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The point stands. Who are you to dictate what is and is not ok for others to sacrifice in order to get what they want? Just because their values don't align with yours doesn't make them wrong.

I'm not saying people shouldn't freely chose to sacrifice something, quite the opposite. I don't think some sacrifices should be required. It will always be a grey area: you can't have everything in life, there's only so many hours in a day. Another thing that may not be okay, is that when you tool at the top 5 regret of the dying, most men regret having worked so hard. So why are we pretending this is what they want…

How, specifically, would you change that, then?

Because people on the other tribal side of the argument to you are immediately skeptical of the motivations behind your stated goals, expecting anything you would actually propose doing to end up hurting them, even though they actually see similar problems to you (just expressed differently- see 'wagie, wagie, get in cagie' on youtube for how 4chan sees the rat-race, for example).

So- someone makes you the emperor of the US. What do you do?

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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I had mixed feelings reading this. The writer seems an inspiring person, who went though a hard time having a baby. I feel less inspired when I see that even someone capable of such an amazing sequence of choices to create her own success, seems to succumb to the temptation to blame others for her own anger, both at externalities and at her own choices during early motherhood. But I suppose it's also humanizing becau…

I agree we need to empower our next generation, but I don't agree with how you got there. First of all, I don't really see anything in her post that suggests she blamed others for her anger. Secondly, I find it odd that you are so quick to disavow her experiences as being.. "because I'm a woman" considering that she is literally discussing an experience (pregnancy, birth, infertility, miscarriage) that only biologica…

> I agree ... but ....

I don't expect you to agree. In my experience, I expect us to have different views, that's OK. And it's likely we're misinterpreting each other's words...we each see there what we bring to it. It's not your responsibility if I misinterpret you, it's not my responsibility if you misinterpret me. In a way, that's more interesting, because instead of talking about topics and pretending, "I'm right", and pretending, "You're wrong", we get to just share and discuss and respond from each other's views. Stimulus, response.

> First of all, ... no blame for anger

I guess that’s how I feel when people complain about their own choices or the consequences of those.

The rest of your responses to my words misrepresent or misinterpret what I mean....

> Secondly, I find it odd ... because she is female.

I mean when bad things happen, don’t reach for the “this happened because I’m a woman”, because that’s disempowering.

> I don't agree that ... acknowledging your gender (or other minority features) is disempowering.

I mean, adopting a disempowering identity narrative ( that might include things like, “I’m a victim”, or “people are out to get me”, or “I’m inherently weak” ) is disempowering.

> Unfortunately, ... HN, purely interpretive, don't exist

I mean don't hide from what happens, what you chose, how you feel. Face that and choose a way to respond that empowers you.

> How odd is it that Lyft and Uber....self love, warrior

I’ll interpret as...you have to find self love through being a warrior against oppression. I don't think so. My view of self love, self worth, self respect is don’t rely on others for that. Be your own source.

I think if you do what I interpret you as saying, your self love might be based on trying to hurt others you decide are wrong and seeking approval from others you decide are right.

Actually, when you misinterpret what I wrote here in a way that seems, "You have to be an idiot or really bad to write that," I feel like hurting me because you've decided I'm wrong is what you're trying to do here...

> Consider ... Tracy

I mean face being a woman and write a powerful identity narrative about that. Dissociate yourself from disempowering fake victim narratives others seek to foist upon you.

> Consider ... men

It sounds like you reduce men or women to a label. Labels are not who you are. And it seems you’re saying, “Men uncritically accept whatever male identity they are given as an unearned entitlement.” Lets me feel like you lack empathy with the life of an individual deliberately creating their own identity through experience and effort, and are also willing to dismiss the identity development and the inner life of men, but...you’re all about combating not perpetrating oppression, right?

> I think, actually, most of us ... doesn't work.

I love this. Let me paraphrase to show some of my view.

I think, actually, most of us have grown up believing in our own power and that the world is fair. Then we experience the ways that its not and struggle with that powerlessness. Some of us then adopt disempowering fake victim narratives, blame others, and feel justified in taking out our anger on them, while others grow their effectiveness by using their choices and taking personal responsibility. In my experience, it is clear to me that this model of fake blame and victimhood doesn’t work.

> What if we empowered our kids by teaching them to love themselves and embrace their identities, rather than pretend they don't exist?

Agree, but let’s not tell them who they are. Encourage to develop empowering not disempowering identities, and not to think that labels are who they are. They get to choose who they are. Labels are just what describes things, doesn’t proscribe things.

> What if we told them early on that the world is unjust and taught them to protect themselves?

In my experience, I needed to keep a balance. Let's let them know how to protect themselves, and also know how beautiful it is, and show them you can create a great life through your own efforts. And more, what if instead of “teaching” them...we showed them. With our own behavior. Shared with them how we faced different situations, and what we tried, and how that went and what we felt. And let them decide? After all, we're not running their lives, who they are is not up to us. We're just there to help them grow, guide them towards the light, but not shape the form they will take. So we shouldn't be too quick to paint the world through the lens of our own suffering and joy, and not to say to them, "this is the real world, the one truth", because there's as many paths through the world as there are individuals in it. Be an individual.

I think one thing that's happening lately in the zeitgeist is the religion of labels. People need to form their own identity, the labels you use for me are not who I am. Just because old models of authority and morality are decaying (such as actual religions), doesn’t mean people can just invent their "religions" and force others to obey. Everyone who has the "black" label has to do "this" and is not allowed to do "that"? Crazy. Racist. Disempowering. Not freedom. Labels are not identity. You are not your labels. You are who you choose to be. Everyone can choose who they want to be. Write your own story.

Also, my feedback is, in disagreeing with my view...it seems you've misinterpreted what I'm saying not in a generous way...isn't it enough to share your view, disagree with mine, but without pretending you're better than someone else? If your world view was really working for you, why'd you have to compensate insecurity like that?

Anyway, thanks for the response and the chance to share my view...and be clear about it. I'm grateful for that and for knowing your view a bit more. I have way more to say about this, but I can't really say that such a response would be about what you've said. It's just a topic I'm really interested in. Wish you luck with what you're doing :)

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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I know I'm a little lateto the party, but I want to make the point that I don't actually think that there being few women in leading roles is the problem. I think it is a symptom. I think it is a symptom of a real underlying hidden problem that is the discourse of todays society is biasing the interests of our children differently based on gender. A lot of places we're strongly associating the color blue with boys an…

> the problem is that we are raising our boys to want to be leaders and our girls to not. What you think initially caused that behavior in the first place, some time long ago?

I remember reading about this in "Sapiens". Suppose there were indeed women leaders many thousands of years back. Due to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle, they would not have had any opportunity to both bear a child for a couple of years at least (9 months of pregnancy, breast feeding afterwards) and be a leader at the same time. Add to that the high rate of infant mortality and you have vastly diminishing chances of a leader-woman passing her genes to baby girls. Now compound this over thousands of generations and you will have the society of early-20th century, before infant mortality rates started going down and societies started becoming wealthier that a leader-woman has to invest only a few months at most for a child by outsourcing most of the "gatherer" duties.

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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On the other hand she has enough experience and skin on the nose to be a great and stable mother now.

@dpoochieni > [She] clearly thinks it would have been better to use her 20s is it okay if I ask what was her age when she said that?

28, almost 29

Re: Reflections on Being a Female Founder

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@dpoochieni > [She] clearly thinks it would have been better to use her 20s is it okay if I ask what was her age when she said that?

28, almost 29

Wow, I'd guessed more like 35. Interesting how life is different in this case based on gender

Thanks for replying

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