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U.S. will suspend all travel from Europe for 30 days

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Post by tomnj »

burlesona wrote: post #140
moosey wrote: post #58

I feel like there are some particular cultural attributes in the United States that make this useless at this point. The United States has a very individualistic attitude. Sure, we can pause travel from Europe, but the current administration is very anti-europe. Can we pause travel in the US? I strongly doubt that we can effectively given the strong anti-expertise attitudes as well. My guess is that the United States…

Only time will tell, but fairly aggressive measures are already being taken in California and Washington where the cases are only in the hundreds, and many other states are following close behind when they have few to no cases. One thing even many Americans don’t properly appreciate is the degree to which most things are actually run at the state and local level. So far the federal dysfunction has not stopped the sta…

> One other factor in the US favor, it’s extremely low population density

laughs in jersey

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Post by jacobwilliamroy »

rsj_hn wrote: post #206
Frost1x wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. Based on the localized infection cases I see across the US and have been watching as well as the characteristics of the virus (life outside host/on surfaces, in air, the degree of asymptomatic transference, etc.), it's well beyond containment IMHO. Travel isn't going to do too much to reduce infection rates alone. We need significant cultural changes to reduce infection rat…

My 2 cents. All reductions in (non-essential) travel are good in a pandemic. That doesn't mean it's sufficient, but it's something positive. I think we would all like to see stronger social distancing rules domestically (in the US), but here the US has a problem as it granted the President broad discretionary powers to suspend international travel but not domestic gatherings, which can't be banned via executive order…

Banning public gatherings is really something that should be done on the municipal level, maybe the state level. The federal government should not have the power to disrupt every day life from thousands of miles away.

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Post by scurvy »

thedance wrote: post #286
amiga_500 wrote: post #161

Let me just explain this to my broker, see if they will unwind after my stops hit...

Stonks already hit the downside circuit breakers.

Not sure what you're looking at, but the S&P500 e-mini futures are still trading. No breakers were hit.

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Post by unlinked_dll »

lordlic wrote: post #173

The payroll tax holiday idea is bonkers. The people most in need of help here are hourly or gig workers who are told to stay home from work or who get sick and can't work. Paying less taxes on nonexistent wages doesn't help. It seems like the administration is more interested in propping up the markets than actually addressing the health crisis and its human costs. Also, eliminating copays on coronavirus treatment is…

Also, do they mean SS and Medicare contributions in the payroll taxes, or just unemployment insurance?

Like if we have a health crisis that disproportionately affects people who rely on Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security, taking away funding for it isn't bonkers. It's batshit insane! We should be doubling, tripling taxes in the short term on those that can pay it to make up the funding gap for testing, treatment, and surge capacity. And who better than the largest medical provider in the country, with contacts and infrastructure for directing funds to every medical provider in the country?

Are they going to cut off the water to the block when the house is burning down?

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Post by ejstronge »

jmull wrote: post #191
thedogeye wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deaths are also much lower in the US.

The lack of testing must be depressing the death numbers here too.

I’m not sure this is true, as the deaths from coronavirus are distinguishable based on their clinical features, as I understand it (e.g., the chest X-ray of a COVID-19 patient is readily identifiable)

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Post by knzhou »

tunesmith wrote: post #291
scarmig wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're... reverse fearmongering? Downplaying? Additionally, for someone calling others' claims bullshit, your numbers have no correspondence to reality. In Wuhan, the 3% number was for the general population; for the 70+ age range, it was ~20%.

3% of the infected, not 3% of everyone. You can't compare it to WW2 unless you assume everyone will be infected.

If you don't control a disease, the default assumption is that it infects a substantial fraction of the whole human population.

In almost all examples in human history, whenever a disease stopped, it was either because it burned through most of humanity, or because people decided to make it stop. They don't stop themselves.

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Post by anigbrowl »

BryantD wrote: post #152

Important updates: a) This does not apply to US citizens or their family members[1]. b) This does not apply to cargo[2]. It appears that the President misspoke regarding point 2. [1] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting... . [2] https://twitter.com/AnaSwanson/status/1237921160500830208

Misspoke? It was a prepared statement read off a teleprompter. Please don't excuse it like a slip of the tongue.

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Post by bratawurst »

This is insane. I haven’t been really scared of the pandemic yet, but if this is the response, now, I’m terrified.

Changing the number of infected people entering the community does nothing when we already have transmission happening within the community at some fixed rate which is determined by the community.

“Flattening the curve” of an exponential function means changing the rate of growth, not the fucking constant offset.

It’s basic math. Innocent people will die off this incompetence. I’m a little lost for words.

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Post by FireBeyond »

rsj_hn wrote: post #206
Frost1x wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Which is the goal, reduce infection rates. Based on the localized infection cases I see across the US and have been watching as well as the characteristics of the virus (life outside host/on surfaces, in air, the degree of asymptomatic transference, etc.), it's well beyond containment IMHO. Travel isn't going to do too much to reduce infection rates alone. We need significant cultural changes to reduce infection rat…

My 2 cents. All reductions in (non-essential) travel are good in a pandemic. That doesn't mean it's sufficient, but it's something positive. I think we would all like to see stronger social distancing rules domestically (in the US), but here the US has a problem as it granted the President broad discretionary powers to suspend international travel but not domestic gatherings, which can't be banned via executive order…

> I'm declaring that the MLB season needs to be delayed

The NBA just suspended their season "until further notice".

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Post by killjoywashere »

jessriedel wrote: post #289
Jommi wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully it was just a small error... Also looks like it won't affect outbound flights either?

Outbound flights are going to get a hell of a lot more expensive if all the planes have to return to the US empty.

Nah, all planes are just going to be routed through a non-European destination en route back. The Azores are about to be very popular.
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