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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by mehhh »

sul4bh wrote: post #107
ehsankia wrote: post #59

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Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

I would rather have a delightful user experience than multi platform support. Worst service to ever come out of Apple is Apple Music because it is multi platform. Their desktop app is just a shell around their BETA web version. Sluggish UI, memory usage goes up to 4GB easily...They didn't even try...all in the name of making it easier to support multiple platforms.

Sounds like they did not make a modicum of effort to support any platform.

iTunes was multiplatform (Windows & OS X), if Apple wanted they could invest the resources to do so for Apple Music. Apparently it is not a priority tho

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by pier25 »

jonathankoren wrote: post #297
pier25 wrote: post #255

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I've been using Firefox for the last couple of months but I'm not satisfied with it. I'm using Brave now but it only syncs bookmarks... I'm using a password manager but it doesn't sync extensions, autofills, settings, etc.

What are your problems with Firefox?

Major issues:

1. Lack of multilingual spell checking (without having to manually switch languages). For non English natives this is a must since we write in at least 2 languages every day. There is an extension that tries to solve this but it is quite slow to the point that I've had to disable it.

2. It just feels slower than Chromium browsers and Safari, at least on macOS. In Windows it's blazing fast but I have a Ryzen 3700X there.

3. On my MBP I get random CPU spikes from time to time and I'm forced to close and reopen FF. I haven't seen this in my iMac or Windows machine. I've never experienced this with any other browser.

4. On Android FF seems to be a battery hog. I haven't done any serious measuring but since I switched to FF my battery has gone from 3-4 days between charges to 2-3 days.

Minor issues:

1. I think the UI is inferior to all other browsers

2. I've had sync issues. I try to login to a website and for some reason FF will not write the credentials unless I manually sync. This has happened in iOS and Android.

3. I've had several minor issues on iOS. For example yesterday there was a weird bug in Twitter with the keyboard suggestions. I know it uses WKWebView under the hood but Chrome for iOS does not have those issues.

4. For some reason Mozilla decided to remove an extension that I use very frequently called UI Stack.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by ec109685 »

tusharsoni wrote: post #115
Andrex wrote: post #106

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What are the security implications of this?

The biggest one is that you're essentially trusting data that the client is providing (Apple gives user id to the client and the client sends it to the server). Unless you can verify the token and exchange it for your own session id, you're opening up your users to be easily impersonated (if they get a hold of the user id). Other than that, Apple also provides server-side verification for the validity of the token. W…

Why would someone be more likely to get a user id compared to your session id?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by ec109685 »

pflats wrote: post #156
Andrex wrote: post #106

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What are the security implications of this?

It depends on what the app does and how it does it. The first step (authenticating) returns a token with your app id, user email address, a unique user id, an expiration time 5m from issuance, and various other info. Suppose the token is not verified. If the app only uses the email to identify a client, then a malicious/compromised user could pass your app a forged token to access another user's account. If the app u…

How does someone eavesdrop on the session?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

Klonoar wrote: post #283
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #187

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Their approach is still ridiculous. I once tried to log into a brand new iOS device in a shop, and has unpleasantly learned that I absolutely can't log in using my regular Apple ID, cause, you know, they are showing a popup with code on my Mac which is 50km away.

That's... how 2FA sans texting works in the Apple ecosystem, yes. It's working as designed.

That's exactly what I am complaining about: it is designed badly, I didn't ask for this and I can't turn it off.. I didn't ask for this, and still can't turn it off.

On the other hand, Google does even worse: sometimes it requires 2FA with SMS when I have specifically turned it off, knowing I'll be abroad without SMS connectivity. Still, Google doesn't give a shit on disabled settings and still demands 2FA auth on connects from previously unused addresses. The only reliable way to circumvent this is to use a VPN with a fixed address, so Google always thinks it's a 'same' location.

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Post by tekknik »

StavrosK wrote: post #214
coldtea wrote: post #185

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> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…

> My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+ Does Spotify somehow integrate with Apple Music and Netflix with Apple+? Because, if not, your counterargument is just "there's no walled garden because I'm outside it". Spotify, Netflix, Google, Kindle, etc work on both platforms. Apple stuff doesn't. That's the definition of "walled garden", that you can't use Android and stil…

how about the $5k or so in media i have in googles ecosystem? their apps are literally garbage on ios and i had to resort to using youtube to watch content i paid for. even this didn’t work after some time as i have so much media even the youtube app started timing out when loading my purchases. there is no compatible format for ios, so you gotta use their garbage apps. it became such a huge problem that i bought everything that moviesanywhere didn’t already give me over again on itunes store just so i could have an actual file and, you know, actually watch the content i bought. google is substantially worse in their walled garden attempts

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by tekknik »

haecceity wrote: post #232
denkmoon wrote: post #225

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FWIW Apple Music does work on android, reasonably well too. I switched to that when it became apparent that Google Play Music is a dead product, soon to be sent to the glue factory.

Why do people use Apple Music over Spotify?

no ads plus much much more music, especially if you’re into subgenres of electronic music. i haven’t found a song yet that i haven’t found on apple music. they were one of the (if not the) original music store after all

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by tekknik »

StavrosK wrote: post #277
oneplane wrote: post #272

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Your reply here seems to try to twist the thread to a point where all uses of 'open' or 'non-walled' has to equate FOSS or EFF ideals, while you probably know that is neither feasible nor what is being discussed. It feels like you're intentionally acting obtuse at this point.

No, it was sarcastically reducing the argument to an absurdity. I'm not going to reply to you any more because it looks like you're just trying to troll.

actually it looks like you’re the troll, and copping out to the “not gonna reply cause i’m obviously wrong and lack further supporting arguments” statement. apple is opening their walled garden up, both music and apple tv plus are available on other platforms now. for the majority this gives us confidence in buying into their platform, knowing we can take our content with us should we decide we no longer want their devices.

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Post by tekknik »

StavrosK wrote: post #215
thephyber wrote: post #211

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iMessage is backwards compatible with SMS. Are you talking about the unwillingness of users to migrate their chats to WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, etc? That’s not a walled garden - that’s the natural hesitance to leave any comfortable/familiar system that any social media / network effect site/app has. It’s more like a psychological moat. And even the app you want Apple users to migrate to has it.

He's talking about the fact that iMessage only runs on Apple hardware. That's what a walled garden is.

ok? and googles messaging app only runs on android. the app doesn’t require the recipient to have imessage, however if they do you get benefits (like increased message size) over sms due to limitations in sms.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by tekknik »

StavrosK wrote: post #276
oneplane wrote: post #271

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No, I'm just stating facts. iMessage runs on multiple Apple operating systems, and while you can't run the iOS family reliably on anything but Apple hardware, you can run macOS on non-Apple hardware. I'm intentionally trying to point out that the generalised statement was wrong without context, while at the same time providing wording that would probably match the intended message instead of the one that ended up get…

No, the statement was plenty right, I just wasn't expecting someone to read it in bad faith and then waste a bunch of time by nitpicking. If you're a mobile app manufacturer who owns a large platform, and your app doesn't run on the other large platform, you're a walled garden.

no it’s wrong and given your precious posts you’re obviously an apple hater. i hope you realize you’re not special and anytime an apple story comes out, your type crawls outta the woodwork to express their jealousy or whatever is the driving force behind your valueless comments. please go back to your android / windows / linux / haiku / whatever world and leave the rest of us in peace
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