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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by jonas21 »

ljm wrote: post #134
ehsankia wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

And what company does care about the open web, no strings attached? Google and Facebook sure as hell don’t. I’m not going to apologise for Apple, but I thought this sign in feature was iOS specific. They’re offering to proxy your email on their own account and buying an iPhone pays for that. It’s a privacy feature so that you can protect your personal email, it’s not federated auth. A better example is that I think t…

If this feature were iOS only, how would you ever switch to a non-Apple device? Would you just have to leave all of your accounts behind?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by folli »

dep_b wrote: post #142
burkaman wrote: post #102

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Anyone with a computer can get Android Studio for free in 5 minutes. You can't download a free iPhone.

The Simulator comes free with Xcode. And it's actually pretty usable in terms of performance compared to the Emulator you get with Android Studio. Either you get a $75 iPhone SE or you have something for free with your MacBook. Anyone with a computer still wants to use a hardware Android device for any serious testing. And then there's the differences between all of the builds between the brands. I bet you want to te…

I hate that I can't use Xcode on Linux.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by OrgNet »

tusharsoni wrote: post #138
Tepix wrote: post #118

As a user, won't i a) share my data with Apple (i.e. they get to know every time i sign in) and b) makes me dependent on Apple (what happens to my account when i sell all my Apple devices?) ?

As a developer, it's our responsibility to provide users with at least 2 options. While Sign in with Apple is convenient and seems to be fairly popular, users should be in control of their data. Some stats from my app where users have the option to either Sign in with Apple or use their phone number: 73% use Sign in with Apple and the rest using their phone number. If it was a privacy issue, wouldn't people rather tr…

I wish I could signup with just username and password (no email)... because gmail knows everything now (I don't mind having no password recovery option in many cases)

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by folli »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #122
criley2 wrote: post #97

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This isn't really a fair comparison because any OSX user can just download and run Android studio for free, while your average Android programmer would require over a thousand dollars (to get a bottom-level Apple device with the worst specifications, or closer to two thousand+ to get competitive hardware) and then a yearly subscription to XCode at $100/year, and that's without having any actual iPhones to test on as…

How much revenue will you generate from supporting Apple users or implementing Apple features? Bottom line is you run a business as a developer and if you can’t afford to spend, maybe a couple hundred bucks then you probably shouldn’t be in business anymore. Companies have no obligation to give you things for free.

As a hobbyist, thank you for your sympathy

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by coldtea »

ehsankia wrote: post #59
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

Apple continues to not give any care whatsoever to anything outside their walled garden. For the longest time you couldn't even preview songs on iTunes store without having iTunes. Want to watch their biggest WWDC live? Had to use Safari until last year. Obviously iMessage and FaceTime are complete no-gos outside their walled garden too. This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly…

>This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave.

I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc).

Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walled garden in that regard. I can move anytime (and I do use also Windows and Linux) and I wont have any issue with OS X/iOS.

I just wont have my apps -- which has been the case for every OS ever.

My music is in Spotify and Apple Music, my video is Netflix and Amazon Prime and Apple+, my email is Gmail, my eBooks in Kindle for Mac and iOS, I talk with friends with Skype, Facetime, Messenger and Whatsup. Even my iCloud apps (Calendar, email, etc) are available from any browser.

Some "walled garden".

The reason I don't want to move from OS X/iOS is cohesion and usability. Despite BS like the 3+ years MBP keyboard fiasco or the not-really-useful BS touch strip, it's still the best HW/SW combo for my kind of computing (programming, lots of UNIXy stuff, lots of video and music as well).

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

pcl wrote: post #168
habosa wrote: post #41

I tried to do a Sign in with Apple integration on Android (wanted the app to have the same options across platforms). Testing on Android was next to impossible. To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. But SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA. To get that you need a recent macOS or iOS device. As an Android developer I have no reason to own either of those. Eventually I just had a friend who own…

> SMS 2FA was not good enough, you need the hardware-based 2FA OT, but Apple is doing the right thing here: SMS is not a robust 2FA solution. A recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22016212

Their approach is still ridiculous. I once tried to log into a brand new iOS device in a shop, and has unpleasantly learned that I absolutely can't log in using my regular Apple ID, cause, you know, they are showing a popup with code on my Mac which is 50km away.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by benhurmarcel »

bloody-crow wrote: post #172
jakobegger wrote: post #128

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> To test I needed an Apple ID with 2FA. Apple make it such a pain in the ass to get Apple IDs. For example, they block emails from small domains. So I can't use my company email address to get an apple ID.... and I found that out by googling cryptic error messages, they don't even tell you. They don't want you to have multiple Apple IDs, so you need to store the credentials of your main Apple ID on your build server…

This is news to me. My apple ID is on my personal domain (Google Apps) with only one email address on it, and it works fine. Could it be a recent change?

About 6 months ago I was unable to use my email on a personal domain to create an Apple ID. I had to create an @icloud.com address. And I don't think it's an issue with my domain, it's been fine for the last 9 years.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by Nullabillity »

enos_feedler wrote: post #151
ljm wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what company does care about the open web, no strings attached? Google and Facebook sure as hell don’t. I’m not going to apologise for Apple, but I thought this sign in feature was iOS specific. They’re offering to proxy your email on their own account and buying an iPhone pays for that. It’s a privacy feature so that you can protect your personal email, it’s not federated auth. A better example is that I think t…

110% - Google wouldn’t let me use Safari for youtube TV or for Stadia. The open web is a total mirage.

Goes both ways. It shouldn't be too surprising that people don't bother testing against the only browser that isn't just a download away.

For all of IE's/Edge's faults (and there are tons), at least they offer public VM images.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by pfranz »

eropple wrote: post #109
pfranz wrote: post #88

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Maybe it's just me, but one bummer about this kind of system is that's is A+ top security for a lot of stuff I don't care about. To create some account on a random forum to give feedback about how I got a stuck oil filter off of my '03 Civic, for example. With email+password I can just use a low security password because I'm typing on a phone. With these all-in systems my device isn't recognized so I'll need to type…

Even setting aside Sign In With Apple, why are you consuming mental space and energy with a reused password and whether they should be throwaways or not in 2020, when all mobile OSes and desktop browsers integrate seamlessly with password managers? Over here, I just use Face ID and 1Password does the tedious filing-and-remembering part that computers are good at.

I use 1Password on both my phone and desktop for logging in. Saving a new password on the desktop is easy. For the phone it seems rather tedious. Especially when, even on the desktop, many sign up pages have me submit 2 or 3 times because the username is taken, password too complex, or I didn't give them my phone number. I find it way less mental space and energy to reuse a weak password.
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