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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by t0ddbonzalez »

pjmlp wrote: post #242
t0ddbonzalez wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Docomo phones were(are?) a Japan-only irrelevance. Granted - Symbian was a thing back then, but can you buy a Symbian phone today? Consumers voted with their money, and they wanted iPhones, not Nokias. Fast forward to 2019, Nokia is nothing more than a trademark - making generic Android phones on one hand, and cashing in on nostalgia with their feature phones on the other hand.

That doesn't change the fact that Apple did NOT create the smartphone.

I didn't say they created the smartphone.

They created THE smartphone - the definitive item.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by jasonlotito »

Razengan wrote: post #224
Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

> instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!) As a user, I'm glad Apple did that. As a developer, the one thing that I do dislike about Apple, is the dismal state of their documentation on how to actually take advantage of all their platforms' features. I have to begrudgingly admit that their nemesis Microsoft has always been way ahead in that department.

Okay, but you left out the rest of that sentence.

> and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file.

So, Apple found a crash, and instead of completing the review (this assumes they could have, and benefit of the doubt here, they could have), they didn't. They found and issue, flagged it, and sent it back. This means the developer had to do work, resubmit, and then have another issue found. Rather than work through everything, the reviewer found one thing, dinged the app, and moved on.

As a user, that means Apple is delaying apps longer than need be. Sure, fixing the crash is good, but I can't imagine they couldn't have reviewed the other parts of the app and said, "Fix the crash and this other two areas and you are good to go." That would mean a shorter turn around time, and as a user, I get a better product sooner.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by netsharc »

Illniyar wrote: post #60

They kind of bury the lead here. They can't have their app on the appstore because: " While we still updated our applications in time, Apple did not review them for the AppStore, and instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!), and later for requiring UI changes, including showing a Save As panel for each generated file. Now this may not sound like much, this is a serious issue for a document scan application whi…

Asking for the "Save As" panel just shows how amateurish the reviewers are. It sounds like the app already worked like that before: batch generation of files through scanning, but now maybe the assigned reviewer noticed this requirement in the guideline (or it's a new guideline) and thought "Oh no, one item missed, and since I'm a simple automaton I'll have to reject this app!'.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by ttcbj »

ProAm wrote: post #295
ttcbj wrote: post #291

I really wonder where Apple and specifically Tim Cook is in all this. I feel like I see posts on HN almost daily that would warrant one of Jeff Bezos's famous 'question mark emails'[1] from Tim Cook to someone within Apple. But I see no evidence of this. I see no evidence of panic within apple that they have lost the ability to delight customers and anticipate their needs effectively. How often do I see a similar lev…

When you have billions in cash in the bank, and your future revenue is tied to subscriptions Tim Cook simply doesn't care about this, its minutiae to your bottom line. They can screw up for YEARS and still be a largely profitable company.

Agreed, but are Tim Cook and the board really satisfied with that? If so, it's a tragedy that so many resources are controlled by leaders who don't really care that much.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by ferzul »

epse wrote: post #19
mlang23 wrote: post #13

As a user, I am pretty happy about most of the negative points listed in this article. Yes, manual reviews are my firewall against too much scamming. I dont want app providers to notify me about their upcoming company party. It is already fishy enough that some app providers use their own notification system to push ads. And dont get me started on paying for updates! What comes next, paying for firmware updates for d…

Paying for updates has been the standard software model for ages, and with good reason. It still takes money to update and add new features. It still takes time. To some extent new users can pay for this, but then developers have to severely limit the time spent on updates in order to nod spend too much, or they risk not even making a profit on the first version. That is why most "big" software packages these days ar…

Worked well enough before every app became a security hole waiting to happen. I'd be happy with paid updates if the trade-off was you stay off the network. No cloud sync, no analytics, just standard local APIs. I mean, software companies used to turn a profit without data mining our souls to Satan.

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Post by sifar »

jonplackett wrote: post #115
pjmlp wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, maybe for US citzens. We were already using Symbian, Psion and PocketPC based phones. The first phone with hardware support for OpenGL ES was the Nokia N95 released in September 2006, one year before iPhone, with Asphalt as their show game.

Yeah, but those phones were not very good

Have you used a Nokia N9 ? Way ahead of its time.

+ Linux on phone

+ True multi-tasking with live tiles.

+ Full web browser.

+ Turn by turn on device voice navigation. Cannot stress how significant this was.

+ uncluttered swipe gestures to control the apps/windows.

+ amazing build.

- non replaceable battery.

In 2011.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by htfu »

dijit wrote: post #250
prepend wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could make a phone call and browse the interest on my gen1 iPhone. I used ATT as my network. Verizon had the limitation you described, but not all carriers. Copy and paste didn’t work, but it didn’t work on any phone at the time. A few attempted it (eg, win mobile, blackberry) but it really sucked. The camera was quite good and the ability to finally save and share photos and video was revolutionary at the time. I…

Multitasking was added iOS 4, the very first iPhone (Gen1) only supported up to "iPhone OS" 3; and even then, with limited functionality. In fact, the iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch (2nd Gen) did not support multi-tasking either, even with iOS4. Apple noted performance issues.

Yeah but phone calls and music always did work in the background.

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Post by heyoni »

Crinus wrote: post #169
heyoni wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you pretending you don’t understand what he’s trying to say. Those aren’t phones most people have heard of, and when they did exist, living without them was easy.

Growing up everyone had a Nokia phone. The Nokia 6600 specifically (which had a multitasking, internet enabled OS with IMO the best J2ME implementation and also allowed you to install arbitrary native programs either from a PC or download them from the Internet) was a very popular device. To anyone who used this phone, smartphones were already a thing long before iPhone was introduced. Of course iPhone changed things…

All those things were cool about it, but those phones were going to remain business-y devices for a loooong time if someone hadn't come along and replaced resistive touch and add a decent UI.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by 542458 »

mmoez wrote: post #143
onion2k wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Containers are not a magic shield that protects you from all attacks. You should still be wary of what you're running even with the additional protection they offer. For example - https://seclists.org/oss-sec/2019/q1/119

> Containers are not a magic shield that protects you from all attacks. Nor are manual reviews by Apple staff...

Sure, but I’m not going to let perfect be the enemy of good. Could the review process be improved? Absolutely! But I’ll take some review over no review any day of the week.
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