Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident • Hacker News Board

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by shkkmo » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:17 PM UTC

dirtyid wrote: post #272

seemack wrote: post #249

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> The younger generation is much more focused on economic well-being and safety over liberty or freedom This is perfectly reasonable when you consider it a personal decision. Sure, trade away some of your freedom for better economic well-being. But how do they justify this when their personal economic well-being requires trampling the freedom of other people? By that logic, would pro-China people would support China…

>But how do they justify this when their personal economic well-being requires trampling the freedom of other people? There are 3 great evils in China: terrorism, separatism and extremism. HK/Tibet/XinJiang/Taiwan are not economic issues but security ones. People balance prosperity for security everywhere. The west sees HK as a large pro democracy movement, the Chinese see's this as fringe separatist violence by 0.00…

In what way does pretending Taiwan does not exist improve China's security?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by intopieces » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

notyourday wrote: post #132

radicsge wrote: post #77

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Those people who can circumvent the GFoC, already knows that their leader is pulling down the whole country.

> Those people who can circumvent the GFoC, already knows that their leader is pulling down the whole country. CCP is what is industrializing the country. There's not a single person in the West who is not a recent immigrant that lived in a pre-industrial society. In this case Chinese population supports CCP because between supporting some rich special people in HK protesting something and not going back to working t…

Absolutely. For further reading on this, I recommend “Age of Ambition” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Ambition

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by yifanl » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

stereolambda wrote: post #261

legohead wrote: post #58

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They could have gotten away with it had they not been so severe. They: Banned the player, fired the casters , and took back the player's winnings . They should have just banned the player for a year and left it at that. (not agreeing with anything that they did, just looking at it from a PR perspective)

I think the details that you mention wouldn't be so important in the media narrative (although maybe they would in the gamers' perception). The ban alone probably speaks to the imagination the most. I am, for one, moderately optimistic looking at the Western counter-outrage and people ditching Blizzard. We need strong and widely held convictions to defend our basic liberty. Coming from the former Eastern Block, I can…

As a single data point, I've uninstalled all my (2) blizzard games and tried to purge what data I could from my account. I submitted a ticket to delete all my data, but they requested a government photo id... and given that I don't trust Blizzard with my game data, I definitely don't trust them with that.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by DataGata » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:20 PM UTC

pdpi wrote: post #180

winslow wrote: post #150

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Yup we watched the episode last night. I hadn't watched South Park since college. It was a great episode. It's free to watch here: https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s23e02-band-in-china

I feel like an idiot. It only just occurred to me that the episode's name is "ban(ne)d in China".

I honestly thought the entire Metal Band B-Plot was just to get that pun into the name.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

celticmusic wrote: post #251

spathi_fwiffo wrote: post #197

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>> Morally, though >The only ones that hold these sorts of views are the ones with nothing interesting to say. I'm confused by your response; what is it you are trying to say? They were making a legal description of why the 1st amendment doesn't prevent a private entity from censoring; not a moral one. From a legal perspective, they are right. The constitution prevents the government (and only the government) from re…

The biggest clue that you're involved in a strawman is your quoting a part of the other poster that I didn't quote and applying it to my response.

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Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by Mystrl » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

seemack wrote: post #249

motivic wrote: post #190

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I am a Chinese American but my wife is Chinese. I have a large number of Chinese friends. You may be surprised to learn that vast majority of Chinese natives are very pro-China; and while they can be critical of the Chinese government at times, they tend to be united against any actions taken by foreign entities they consider anti-China or anti-Chinese government. Talk to a few Chinese immigrants and you will know. T…

> The younger generation is much more focused on economic well-being and safety over liberty or freedom This is perfectly reasonable when you consider it a personal decision. Sure, trade away some of your freedom for better economic well-being. But how do they justify this when their personal economic well-being requires trampling the freedom of other people? By that logic, would pro-China people would support China…

> But how do they justify this when their personal economic well-being requires trampling the freedom of other people?

The same way every one in every other country on earth deals with the awful things their country does I guess. By ignoring it.

> By that logic, would pro-China people would support China going to war with and taking over other countries if it brought them "economic well-being"?

Looking at world history probably?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by Knove1 » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

godot wrote: post #281

Knove wrote: post #201

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Maybe what I mean is not clear enough. I imagine that a star, just a few days after 9/11, openly declared that 9/11 was a great recovery movement.

You're being downvoted (and rightfully, I believe), but you do sound genuine (so far at least), so let me speak a little bit more and hope your mind might change even just a little bit. First, as pvg said, a massive protest is not analogous to 9/11. But, let's put even that aside for a moment, and pretend that they are analogous. The more proper analogy is this: Pretend that after 9/11, a Malaysian singer working for…

Believe me, if this Malaysian's remarks really hurt the American people, we will not express any dissatisfaction. We can even criticize this person with the American people.

Should we not distinguish right from wrong? What does it have to do with revenue stream?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by pdimitar » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

cortesoft wrote: post #269

Dumblydorr wrote: post #83

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Blizzard has been on a downward spiral for years. They still have awesome teams releasing and maintaining awesome games, (thank you for custom colors in SC Remastered!), but by and large their direction has been towards EA and away from their true fans.

Their revenue was growing pretty steadily for years until this past year. What makes you think they were on a downward spiral this whole time?

The "downward spiral" premise I believe refers more to "alienating the players who made the company successful in the first place" and is not at all related to revenue or profit.

I could be wrong -- it's just that this always seems to have been the sentiment on the forums I frequented.

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by yellowapple » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

dvt wrote: post #283

tremblane wrote: post #277

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a) woosh b) It wouldn't be unreasonable to think somebody might mention another MMO developer. thatsthejoke.jpg

Side note: what's going on HN lately with all this pun/troll/meme nonsense? Please leave that stuff on reddit.

Side note: what's going on with people believing reddit has some monopoly on puns/trolls/memes and that hacker-types (like the folks who presumably frequent Hacker News) would never find them amusing?

Re: Fallout from Blizzard Hong Kong Incident

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Post by hkmaxpro » Wed, Oct 09, 2019, 6:22 PM UTC

fpgaminer wrote: post #226

MisterTea wrote: post #64

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> What is really interesting about this is how completely and utterly poorly Blizzard anticipated this very obvious possibility and thus is so poorly handling every single aspect of this. I kind of doubt that. With potential billions on the line, losing a few protesting players and face isn't anything to worry about. They have plenty of people hooked playing their games so they don't have much face to lose.

I'm curious what the reaction to these events has been in South Korea, where Blizzard derives a significant amount of their worth from. I would think South Korea would be particularly incensed, given that they are also a small country near China and are familiar with tyrannical rule. But I've not read up enough to know if these events are making waves there. If they are, that's a far bigger issue for Blizzard than a…

> South Korea, where Blizzard derives a significant amount of their worth from

> that's a far bigger issue for Blizzard than a handful of angry American players

In fact Activision Blizzard only has 12% of revenue from Asia-Pacific [0][1]. The vast majority is from the Americas and EMEA [2]. The west should have a bigger say on Activision Blizzard's business, not China or South Korea.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/df2ke8/the_asi...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/comments/df8tmr/the_entire...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/dfezlv/activis...