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Post by cannonedhamster »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #193
cannonedhamster wrote: post #114

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First time someone gets bored at Google they will drop this like nothing with a month or two notice and any games purchased will be vapor. Google doesn't care about it's users. It's just another platform to extract data mining or ai from. Google makes massive unilateral consumer unfriendly changes before breakfast. They barely care about business customers. If you're not ads or ad related and bringing in money you're…

You’re being downvoted, but you shouldn’t be, because you’re absolutely correct.

Didn't notice I was being downvoted. Legitimately don't care about it either. I'll be dead most likely within a few years and I can't take internet points with me or cash them in to take care of my family when I'm gone. Thanks for the kind words though.

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Post by enos_feedler »

AJ007 wrote: post #252
Amygaz wrote: post #240

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I can buy the game on Steam and play at my 4K laptop or stream it to my 4k TV. Am I missing something? edit: sorry slowpoke here replying to himself: I get that you are "renting" a gaming hardware for that price, so you don't need to own a gaming computer. So at $120/y it is not bad, if the service is as promised. And then if they shut it down in 3 years then, you spent/lost $360 toward a gaming device. But what happ…

It fits in the niche of people who want to play AAA games, can’t afford a dedicated console and TV, and have a consistently fast internet connection. Sarcasm aside, in the longer term there is probably a business model here where anyone who wants to play a subscription game like World of Warcraft signs up and gets a $100 tablet sent to them for free. There also might be a model where very high performance rendering c…

I play one "AAA" game: NHL. I buy a ps4 pro for $400 and then every 12 months I have to buy a $70 game and a $60 ps online membership. For this money I also need to wait 5+ minutes to get my ps4 out of sleep mode and into a multiplayer game. The service experiences pretty consistent downtime where I am locked out. The ps messages mobile app is terrible for trying to chat with a player. In game experience is even worse. I am also restricted to playing on my sofa at home when I spend a lot of time traveling for work with my laptop, iPad, etc. I would love to play NHL in my down time there.

If Stadia got EA Sports to publish NHL, I'm sold. The end to end product experience is just going to be miles better. I imagine certain games unlock Stadia for certain people.

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Post by dwrowe »

nathankunicki wrote: post #291
djanogo wrote: post #250

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Steam is Valve's only business, if Steam shuts down that mean whole company is in trouble or about to go bankrupt or bought out. Google can shutdown Stadia because VP changed or Director got promoted to another part of business and nobody is there to sell this product internally - which means it gets shut down.

I can play NES games from 35 years ago despite the fact that Nintendo has ceased manufacturing the console and publishing the games. As soon as Steam decides to shut down (and it will one day, be it tomorrow, or 30 years from now, those games are no longer playable). Nothing lasts forever.

Except Valve could issue a final update that disables the DRM Check, and the game is still playable locally, right? More likely than Stadia developing a local client to sync game content/licenses to.

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Post by CraftThatBlock »

ariwilson wrote: post #236
nathankunicki wrote: post #226

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Not at launch, this is promised for 2020. Until then you will have to buy the game and pay the subscription fee.

AFAICT, to participate in Stadia at all you have to buy 3 months of a subscription that starts in November. That takes you into 2020.

The founder's edition is just to pre-order the countroller (and Chromecast + few more goodies), but at launch you'll be able to buy the subscription until the free tier becomes available

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Post by baroffoos »

eximius wrote: post #289
FridgeSeal wrote: post #196

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I’m in Australia, so precluding anything else, our terrible internet means this product is more or less dead in the water for me.

... Does Google not have any data centers in Australia? (Granted, it isn't a given that Stadia might run out of those DCs, but with Borg, I don't see why they couldn't.)

That won't help. The connection to your house in Australia is using ancient copper lines that is all rotted out and stops working in the rain. In absolute best case conditions you could use this service but most of the country would struggle to stream 1080p reliably.

The internet upgrade in Australia (NBN) is well known as the biggest government fuck up in the last 20 years.

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Post by blibble »

davemp wrote: post #294
threeseed wrote: post #283

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People have said exactly the same thing about: 1) software as a service 2) streaming music 3) streaming video 4) digital games There just isn't enough people caring about physically owning something these days.

People (mostly) already don't physically own games on PC. Steam can in theory shut right down and most people's games would just be gone.

the games would be patched to ignore the steam check, or the steam API emulated to bypass it entirely

and since most games use the same steam stub this would be a pretty easy thing to do

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Post by generalpf »

dwrowe wrote: post #303
nathankunicki wrote: post #291

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I can play NES games from 35 years ago despite the fact that Nintendo has ceased manufacturing the console and publishing the games. As soon as Steam decides to shut down (and it will one day, be it tomorrow, or 30 years from now, those games are no longer playable). Nothing lasts forever.

Except Valve could issue a final update that disables the DRM Check, and the game is still playable locally, right? More likely than Stadia developing a local client to sync game content/licenses to.

Valve doesn’t have the right to do this. They have an agreement with publishers that they will supply it.

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #191
owaislone wrote: post #163

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I don't think it's as hard as you'd imagine. Gamers are the craziest of early adopters and tech enthusiasts. They'll flock to you if you give them a great product. Unlike other areas (messaging, social media), you don't need the critical mass to have a successful product especially with cross-play becoming more and more common/acceptable. Even if you need the critical mass, it's much easier to get it with a great pro…

Go on a number of the gaming subreddit and you’ll see Stadia is being met with distaste and hesitation. Gamers are increasingly tiring of the games-as-a-service model, and this is a step even further in that direction. Personally I think this will have the same lifetime as a lot of other google products: it’ll launch, have some success, and then be killed unceremoniously a couple of years down the line.

Go into gaming related subreddits, even for beloved and succesfull games and products - and marvel at the toxicity and negativity you'll likely see all over the place.

Game reddits (and other forums) are legendarily toxic.

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Post by datguacdoh »

partiallypro wrote: post #244
mattlondon wrote: post #183

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> Azure has more DC and compute power around the world than Google Interesting. Do you have a source for this? Last I heard, Google's products are responsible for a significant proportion of all internet traffic e.g. in 2013 - 6 years ago - Forbes reported that it was 40% [1]. I think I heard more recently it was getting close to 50+% now but I cannot find any sources. I'd be surprised to learn that MS is handling mo…

You're confusing Google's main services vs GCP and Azure. Stradia will be running on GCP, xCloud will be running on Azure. Azure has more data centers than GCP by a large amount.

Where did you read that Stadia will be in GCP only? From the looks of it, they are sharing a lot of infrastructure with YouTube which implies otherwise.
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