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San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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I'd attribute it to two or three key factors: 1. Large Asian population. The SF companies I've worked at often had 30-45% Asian workforce. In theory this should be a good thing as far as diversity goes (and I have had the privilege of learning from and getting to know people coming from very different societies on a personal level, most of them Asian). But for a variety of reasons I'm not going to dig into, Asians do…

> Perhaps as a result of #2, many in the SF Bay area aren't exploring non-discriminatory explanations as to why there are few African Americans in Bay area tech companies. First off, the Black population is not very big in the Bay area. Less than 2% of mountain view's population is black. Overall the Bay area is 6.7% black, about half that of the country as a whole. What percent of SF Bay area tech workers grew up in…

Sure, but there's zero excuse not to take the matter is seconds or requires to Google this demographic data.

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>Black communities in the Bay Area are where they are in part because of a very long history of institutional discrimination. I am really interested in this. Could you provide some links, please?

this is a really good, and short-ish book on housing generally, and lots of good content about the bay area https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten... Long story short: Richmond grew during WWII because it was a large ship building yard for the pacific fleet. Lots of white and black people moved to Richmond from the South and East during this time. After the war, the ship building stopped, and th…

I don't know where this account comes from (none is from that page), but it makes no sense. I grew up there and had friends whose parents and older siblings worked at Ford Milpitas and GM Fremont. UAW members (e.g. those cut from Richmond auto plants) had first dibs; shipyard workers wouldn't have any advantage over others off the street.

"Many communities were white only" is a crock; in fact, Milpitas in the 1970s had higher black propensity than did Fremont to the north or NE San Jose to the south. Both Milpitas and Ayer High schools had more black students than Piedmont Hills to the south. The foothills tended to be pricey and almost exclusively white and Jewish, but that was economic rather than code segregation.

By the 1970s, production at the plant spiraled downward, shifts were cut, abd there were always more workers than hours.

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Is there anything in the world quite as dumb as this form of argument? If Democrats in the city or in Sacramento actually cared about the poor or the environment

Yes, it's generally bad form. But the important context here is that Democrats have a mega-majority in the state legislature (up from being a normal super-majority) [0], plus the governor's mansion, likely much of the judicial bench, and much of the electorate (who can weigh-in directly via ballot propositions). If something is or isn't being done in terms of statewide policy and regulations, the buck stops with the…

They could have put a repeal of Proposition 13 protections for commercial property on the ballot anytime in the last two decades, had they wanted.

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The author draws a very unsubtle if not direct line between housing costs and homelessness. Is there any? I was under the impression that most of the homeless are mentally ill and/or transplants from other areas. What percent of them just can't afford the rent?

This is a popular myth. https://www.sftu.org/2018/06/five-myths-about-the-homeless-p... According to that, 71% of people on the streets of SF used to be homed, and aren’t on the streets due to drugs.

  According to that, 71% of people on the streets of SF used to be homed
The data does not say that. It says that survey responses claim they used to be homed there; there was no verification done whatsoever. Of course vagrants are going to claim they belong there.

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> I'm sure there are plenty of racists everywhere, but I do find it hard to believe that there aren't more percentage-wise in the south. Isn't that statement prejudiced and discriminatory toward people living in the South? You're doing exactly what it is you're accusing and entire geographic region of doing. Why do you think there are more racists in the South? Why do racists believe what they do? I suspect the answe…

It is prejudiced against the South. That's the last acceptable prejudice amongst the "woke," and I say this as a red state SJW. Lots of blue state liberals have no idea that the Southern diaspora code switches with them, often avoids having to talk about where they're from lest it be held against them, that making comments about "escaping the south" isn't cute or funny at all, it's insulting, hurtful, and a microaggr…

You and I live in an area that vocally supported the party that said the most racist things and had the most racist votes, and you think we don't have the most racists?

Yes, it sucks that the South is seen as backwards and ignorant. But until we stop electing people who promote racism and prevent social programs that would help people escape poverty, we're going to continue being seen that way.

I'm not saying that racism isn't out of control in the rest of the country. I'm merely saying it's worse in the South still.

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It is prejudiced against the South. That's the last acceptable prejudice amongst the "woke," and I say this as a red state SJW. Lots of blue state liberals have no idea that the Southern diaspora code switches with them, often avoids having to talk about where they're from lest it be held against them, that making comments about "escaping the south" isn't cute or funny at all, it's insulting, hurtful, and a microaggr…

You and I live in an area that vocally supported the party that said the most racist things and had the most racist votes, and you think we don't have the most racists? Yes, it sucks that the South is seen as backwards and ignorant. But until we stop electing people who promote racism and prevent social programs that would help people escape poverty, we're going to continue being seen that way. I'm not saying that ra…

Not voting for Democrats is not racist. This partisan take is extremely unhelpful.

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The elites of SF and many people on HN are caught in this loop: 1. Companies don't take personal responsibility when they do antisocial things, claiming they can't be blamed, since they are just following incentives in order to compete. 2. Companies follow incentives, and lobby government to incentivize the behaviors that make them the most money (even if those behaviors are antisocial). 3. Government, influenced by…

Since when is cleaning the streets the responsibility of private companies?

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I could so see a planet-bound version of the movie Elysium. The elite top 5% live in walled off fortresses, a la Aeon Flux's city, and have everything - while the rest live outside in a daily fight to live against a dystopian environment financially and economically. I don't think it's inevitable though, so the question is - how do we stop it? We have some of the brighter minds in tech on this forum, what are your th…

Walking around Pacific Heights gives me that feeling… How to stop it and create a city where anyone can live: - build world class public transit - double the number of houses but decommodify the housing market as much as possible with lots of social housing and controlled rent increases

>In economics, a commodity is an economic good or service that has full or substantial fungibility: that is, the market treats instances of the good as equivalent or nearly so with no regard to who produced them.[1] Most commodities are raw materials, basic resources, agricultural, or mining products, such as iron ore, sugar, or grains like rice and wheat. Commodities can also be mass-produced unspecialized products such as chemicals and computer memory.

>The price of a commodity good is typically determined as a function of its market as a whole: well-established physical commodities have actively traded spot and derivative markets. The wide availability of commodities typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (such as brand name) other than price. [0]

If anything, housing is not enough of a commodity. Each site effectively has a bespoke regulatory framework that has to be discovered as expensively as possible, through a series of planning meetings. Each project requires an extremely high-touch political consensus process. Each building is expected to be unique-but-not-too-unique for its context, of-the-present-moment without altering historical character. As a practical matter, it's really expensive and take a long time and many iterations to arrive at a design that everyone agrees meets those criteria. Watch an SF Planning meeting video sometime. Most of the multifamily projects discussed on any given day are continuations. The curation process yields a great-looking museum, but we pay for the delay and uncertainty it creates in the price of admission.

Houses should be less like houses and more like soybeans: cheap, abundant, with many highly competitive producers and a price that floats just barely above the cost of production. Producers should be responding quickly and effectively to changes in demand, just as in the commodities markets. Commodities are the things we're most likely to have enough of for everyone!

Housing has effectively one producer, the San Francisco planning commission, and if it doesn't feel like meeting demand this year, everyone else has to just live with that. (There is no reason to think it would feel like meeting demand for social housing. Shadows, traffic impacts, neighborhood character changes, etc. are the same either way). Commodification would be an incredible improvement!

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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The elites of SF and many people on HN are caught in this loop: 1. Companies don't take personal responsibility when they do antisocial things, claiming they can't be blamed, since they are just following incentives in order to compete. 2. Companies follow incentives, and lobby government to incentivize the behaviors that make them the most money (even if those behaviors are antisocial). 3. Government, influenced by…

Since when is cleaning the streets the responsibility of private companies?

Since literally the last 30 years in almost every major city

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_improvement_district

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_improvement_districts...

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