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Tesla’s First-Quarter Deliveries Plummet

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Post by ody4242 »

steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

In my opinion, the Supercharger port (and the junction box) is way more advanced, compact, and cheaper than a CCS port. The Tesla onboard charger is clever enough to sense that it's connected to a DC charger, so they can use the same pins for AC and DC charging. Otoh, the CCS is a bulky connector + the germans were clever enough to add the PLC protocol as well, to make it even more complex and expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I love standards, and I love, that the EU Model 3 can be charged essentially anywhere, but in my opinion, the Supercharger Type2 connector is better in every aspect, expect for it being proprietary.

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blhack wrote: post #171
bksenior wrote: post #112

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You think thats bad. Tesla is about to have to head to head with all the majors who are now starting to finally harvest about a decade of their own research in the space (prompted by Teslas early success). Musks ambitions and outbursts strike me as a man who suffers from the top killer of successful entrepreneurs, The skill/talent portability fallacy. It's this idea because you did something similar well, that your a…

>It's this idea because you did something similar well, that your ability should port to "things like it." Except that Elon Musk has: Completely disrupted online payments Completely disrupted space travel Completely disrupted automobiles . It wouldn't matter if SpaceX and Tesla disappeared at this moment. The history books would still be written about how Tesla and SpaceX were the things that instigated the change.

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Post by dustindiamond »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #276
dustindiamond wrote: post #248

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It is a bit overkill, though, no? It seems every option is enumerated as its own physical switch, knob, or lever.

I haven't driven a car since I was a teenager, but isn't this desirable for an interface that needs to be operated by sense of touch alone? (So you can keep your eyes on the road.)

If there were only one or two, but I think the Audi has at least 5 or 6 different and seperate ‘interfaces’ on and besides the steering wheel. To me, it seems like an overly complex UX.

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Post by ajross »

dreaminvm wrote: post #297
ajross wrote: post #278

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The point was more that Tesla has already scaled beyond the level where "these companies know how to build cars" is reasonable spin. Tesla's building plenty of cars, making money doing so, scaling rapidly, and can only be expected to be doing better still by the time those competitors arrive in the market. That's not to say that they won't be highly competetive cars, they might (I for one certainly hope they are). Bu…

I am not sure that's a fair statement. The other manufacturers (most, but especially in the luxury segments) build higher quality cars with much lower rates of error. Tesla enthusiasts (much like early adopters of things) are forgiving and overlook a lot of imperfections (fit and finish on teslas vary greatly -see Youtube reviews). This has been the primary reason holding me back for purchasing one. Tesla's existing…

The statement was about industrial scaling. Arguments based on fit and finish and market preference are sort of a different thing.

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Post by bleriot »

dustindiamond wrote: post #258
SEJeff wrote: post #183

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He also did zip2 (to fund x.com which he sold and became paypal), which was essentially one of the first online phone books / business directories.

Copyright infringement from a purchased CD-ROM. He is good.

I agree that zip2 was not a great accomplishment aside from making money, but it certainly wasn’t copyright infringement.

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Post by adamvalve »

legitster wrote: post #287
steelframe wrote: post #233

Data point: I'm a current Tesla owner who during Q1 was in the market for replacing my remaining gas-powered car with an EV. Looking at the options available, the direction I'm seeing with respect to charging infrastructure, and the character of the company (yes, there's a touchy-feely part to me), I went with a Jaguar I-PACE instead of another Tesla. I feel that directly contributed to at least one lost potential sa…

Mazda developed their physical controls by blindfolding testers and making sure they could use everything on touch alone. In comparison, Tesla's approach of putting everything in a single touchscreen is a cost cutting measure being sold as trendy BS. And dangerous to boot.

Who moved my cheese? It really isn't a huge deal. There is a divide that I notice, older people cling to buttons and younger people are fine getting rid of them. Is it dangerous? Hardly, I just wait till I stop if I need to adjust something that isn't on my steering wheel which is actually pretty rare.

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Post by [deleted] »

yumraj wrote: post #136
thebeefytaco wrote: post #105

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Didn't Tesla already open source all their patents?

There are patents and then there are trade secrets. I would guess that Tesla's trade secrets are equally or a lot more valuable, and perhaps pertain to manufacturing processes, than their patents.

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Post by J_cst »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #253
azhenley wrote: post #239

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I tried the Jaguar I-PACE (a friend just purchased one), but the reason it is a no-go for me is the lack of fast charging. I would be effectively stuck in a one-hour radius from my home. My Model 3 can conveniently do cross-country trips. I really wish Jaguar and Porsche adopted the Tesla charging system (I think Tesla tried to get them to).

> My Model 3 can conveniently do cross-country trips. Not compared to gasoline, though.

Tangently on that matter recently I posted a question on HN and would love to read your comments.

Thank you

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19542613

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Post by r_smart »

Klathmon wrote: post #73
everdev wrote: post #66

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I would love a Tesla if they were 50% cheaper. I used to think that the big car companies weren't able to bring a competitive EV to market because they were bigger than Tesla and bogged down in layers of management. Now I'm wondering if Tesla was just over marketed and overly ambitious entering the market and if these later entry EVs from main stream car companies in the next few years will be just as good at a fract…

I'm not sure why i'm jumping into this thread, but 50% cheaper!? You want a brand new electric car for $17.5k USD? Even the cheapest ICE cars sold in the US have trouble hitting that number... That just seems like a completely unreasonably high bar to hold EVs to at this point since things like batteries are so much more expensive than an ICE engine.

I bought my Honda Fit for $16.5k. It's one of the more expensive cars in it's class, but me, I was willing to pay a little more for the luxury :)

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Post by navigatesol »

dmix wrote: post #181
dragontamer wrote: post #157

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> Production is up, ergo returns are up. Production is down actually from Q4 2018. http://ir.tesla.com/news-releases/news-release-details/tesla... > Production in Q4 grew to 86,555 vehicles http://ir.tesla.com/news-releases/news-release-details/tesla... > In the first quarter, we produced approximately 77,100 total vehicles

Production is up year over year, no? We don't know what timeframe the tweet author is talking about. Did he mean there weren't many Tesla's there last quarter or a long time ago?

>Production is up year over year, no?

Ok, sure. Now what happens to y-o-y growth when q-o-q growth is stagnant?

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