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Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by tallanvor »

throwaway713 wrote: post #266
tallanvor wrote: post #257

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It wouldn't surprise me at all. My dog is part of my family. She comes before any stranger.

I can't argue with an opinion, but this is just mind-blowing to me. Judging by everyone else's comments, it doesn't appear like yours is an isolated opinion either. I'm just at a total loss for words. I had no idea so many people value animal life above human life.

I don't think you understand the unconditional love that a dog has for its owner, and the commitment good people make when they choose to get one.

For me it is moral and ethical that I put the safety and well being of my dog above people. That doesn't mean that I don't care about others, and it doesn't mean that I would ignore trying to save them once my dog was safe, but it is what is right for me.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by pas »

sametmax wrote: post #286
throwaway713 wrote: post #245

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There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

Suffering is subjective, contextual and personnal. Suffering linked to attachment to something can be great, not matter the something. It's the attachment that matters, and it's not produced by the nature of the thing, but by the experience the person had of the thing. It's created suffering anyway, so the amount you generate is up to you, and is not related to the loss.

created? well, yeah, oxytocin is a hell of a drug.

sure, you can shut it down, process it, ride it out, walk it off and whatever, but if there was attachment, memories, associations with places, events, other persons, or even with music, activities, etc. it can and usually will get emotional.

Some people are quick to get over it, some will die - literally - grieving.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by pas »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #287
throwaway713 wrote: post #245

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There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

I really don't belive the parent meant it like that. He said "like", which means similar, and to many people it is. Losing a cousin is different to losing a father, which is different to losing a grandfather. And all that is completely different to losing a child, right? And everyone responds differently. So you took offense because you decided he was comparing dogs with mothers. Certainly he was not; and that was no…

comparing to family, as usually a dog is pretty much part of it. and in comparison a lot more family (a lot more like a mother) than a stranger on TV hit by a car.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by Sholmesy »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #276
Sholmesy wrote: post #251

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As someone who has lost friends and family members, as well as pets, it feels the same. I see this dichotomy quite a bit in the public discourse, regarding dogs especially, where 1/2 the world treats dogs as family and the other half thinks they are some play toy/object. We have been living with wolves/dogs for a long time now, we're responsible for how they have evolved, and part of that is how they have evolved to…

>> As someone who has lost friends and family members, as well as pets, it feels the same. No doubt to many it feels the same. Others may feel that their pet is more valuable than the entire world. But let's be realistic, if a driver kills your dog you will not be awarded $x-$xx million. Now if they run over grandma or worse, a child...

Sure, that's a financial/legal thing though, which is fairly detached from human emotion.

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Post by zius »

barrkel wrote: post #258
throwaway713 wrote: post #245

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There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

Do we really want to create a hierarchy of grief, to say other people's pain is invalid? I know that losing a pet hurts a lot more than losing a grandparent or aunt or uncle when they're not ever-present in your life. I have not lost parents yet, but at this remove in my life they are in many ways just people I used to know - my personality and values are quite different to them and I find it hard to empathize with t…

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Maintaining some artificial hierarchy of grief (akin to 'but I loved mom more than you') is toxic at best.

I lost my dad at age 20 and in the months after was mostly surrounded by friends that had no idea what losing a parent felt like. In their attempts, I never felt I had the right to discredit their grief as being lesser, be it for an ex-girlfriend or a dog they grew up with.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by Sholmesy »

mynameishere wrote: post #283
throwaway713 wrote: post #253

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I appreciate you responding and explaining your perspective, even though we may disagree on the issue. > 1/2 the world treats dogs as family Do you think that half the world, if given the choice between saving either their dog or a stranger's child in a disaster situation (e.g. a house fire), would choose their dog?

Dude, you're arguing with crazy people. Just forget it.

It's not constructive to call people crazy =\

This is a fairly divisive issue (what my original comment was about), and further ostracizing either side of the debate is not productive.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by bloak »

throwaway713 wrote: post #245
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #215

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> Absolute idiots Agreed. You do three things in a crisis: 1) Acknowledge the problem. You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family. "We're opening an investigation" is a chickenshit message. 2) CEO needs to speak. Personal call from the top. If a dog is seriously injured or killed while on your watch, the CEO must make the call. This shows seriousness to the customer. It also ensures top brass feels the pa…

There was a comment that is now removed that said: > Spoken like someone who's never lost family. in reply to the parent's comment that said: > You killed someone's dog. This hits like losing family." My comment will probably be flagged as well, but fine, I'll sacrifice some karma to show my support. I lost my mother due to cancer when I was eleven and I personally find it offensive when someone tells me they know "w…

Let me quote Leonard Cohen (why not): Everybody got this broken feeling / Like their father or their dog just died

The strength of the feeling might be different and vary depending on all sorts of things, but it's a similar feeling, it is claimed.

Morals only come into it when we have to choose which one dies: not relevant here.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by Sholmesy »

throwaway713 wrote: post #266
tallanvor wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't surprise me at all. My dog is part of my family. She comes before any stranger.

I can't argue with an opinion, but this is just mind-blowing to me. Judging by everyone else's comments, it doesn't appear like yours is an isolated opinion either. I'm just at a total loss for words. I had no idea so many people value animal life above human life.

In the interest of open discussion; what heuristic do you use to value "life"?

I use a combination of innocence, vulnerability, consciousness and intelligence.

E.g a baby life is worth more than a 40 year old's.

There's no playbook for these values, you have to decide for yourself.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by pure-awesome »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #227
thatoneuser wrote: post #148

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I don't think you understand how little these gig apps pay. 1k deposit would exclude a very large percentage of the workers. And frankly - who in the hell in their right mind would PAY a company a grand so start working for them? That's sketchy af.

> who in the hell in their right mind would PAY a company a grand so start working for them? In order: A bond isn't paying them. It would ideally go to a reputable third party. Anyone that works for uber paid a whole lot more for that car, sometimes specifically for the job. Edit: Would the downvoter care to explain? I'm not even saying it's definitely a good idea, I'm just disagreeing with the particular arguments g…

Not the downvoter, but my thoughts are:

It doesn't really matter whether the bond is going to the company or a third party. The point is you're out of pocket for a large amount of money before starting to work, ostensibly to earn money.

Most people simply aren't in a position to put down that kind of deposit in order to start earning, especially not for a low-paying contract-based "gig" job like this kind of pet-walking.

Re: My dog was killed on a walk with a walker ordered through Wag

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Post by Sholmesy »

tallanvor wrote: post #301
throwaway713 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't argue with an opinion, but this is just mind-blowing to me. Judging by everyone else's comments, it doesn't appear like yours is an isolated opinion either. I'm just at a total loss for words. I had no idea so many people value animal life above human life.

I don't think you understand the unconditional love that a dog has for its owner, and the commitment good people make when they choose to get one. For me it is moral and ethical that I put the safety and well being of my dog above people. That doesn't mean that I don't care about others, and it doesn't mean that I would ignore trying to save them once my dog was safe, but it is what is right for me.

This comes closest to how I feel.

You are responsible for your dog, unlike a stranger. The dog trusts you entirely and would do anything for you.

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