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Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by BrendanEich »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #300
BrendanEich wrote: post #290

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Fake news. Employees didn’t revolt - it looks as if you may be referring to six Mozilla Foundation employees who tweeted. They worked for a different organization. They almost all left soon after I did anyway.

You're obviously closer to the issue than myself and I'm truly glad you moved on to create something new and different with Brave. I didn't follow the issue entirely closely, but it seems that there were quite a few more than six people in the company that were upset about your monetary contributions. Realistically, you have to know that saying it was just six people that were upset about your monetary contribution i…

Near as I can tell, there were employees unhappy but not about to quit, some of whom I met and talked with before I left. And when I left there were many unhappy employees, of various backgrounds. I know because a large number sent me hand-written notes (very much appreciated).

To this day you can find people angry on both "sides" of the fake-news version of what happened. It constitutes an open wound for Mozilla which people salt and pick at over more recent or ongoing PR mistakes. That's a shame, because the truth is far removed from the cover story. I'll get to it as a memoirist, if ever, only years from now.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by cannonedhamster »

BrendanEich wrote: post #301
cannonedhamster wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're obviously closer to the issue than myself and I'm truly glad you moved on to create something new and different with Brave. I didn't follow the issue entirely closely, but it seems that there were quite a few more than six people in the company that were upset about your monetary contributions. Realistically, you have to know that saying it was just six people that were upset about your monetary contribution i…

Near as I can tell, there were employees unhappy but not about to quit, some of whom I met and talked with before I left. And when I left there were many unhappy employees, of various backgrounds. I know because a large number sent me hand-written notes (very much appreciated). To this day you can find people angry on both "sides" of the fake-news version of what happened. It constitutes an open wound for Mozilla whi…

Truly, thanks for sharing this. I can't imagine how much anxiety and stress the situation created, and I'm quite sure that you had quite a few people that truly enjoyed and respected your leadership. I think your memoir would definitely find an audience. Best of luck to you in your current and future pursuits.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by sn9 »

joshuamorton wrote: post #298
sn9 wrote: post #175

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That's a completely insane counterargument. Care to bet what the historical trend has been for the percentage of the population that claim the earth is flat? If evidence didn't work it would be flat or random.

Over what timescale?

Centuries, since the Enlightenment.

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

angry_octet wrote: post #278
angry_octet wrote: post #238

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When they are watching Fox they are not being silenced, they are being programmed. They start to believe they are being silenced, but their views are just being opposed and offended and that they are (at long last) being told that other people think their positions are discriminatory. And without the visible and palpable sense that their views are not mainstream any longer, what is their incentive to change?

Predictably, I've offended you and you've downvoted. I win.

Would you please not post unsubstantive or flamebaity comments to HN?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

rectang wrote: post #296
asabjorn wrote: post #295

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If you are pointing to my comment I was not trolling at all. McCarthyism had some of the same properties when it comes to suppressing free speech, but the current environment is also very different in that it is done outside the court system by a mob with no due process. That is more worrisome to me. If you disagree I would like to hear an argument for how it is different. How do you think the way opinions are suppre…

You want me to explain how I'm not a McCarthyite? Why not ask something more civil, like "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Would you please stop perpetuating flamewars on Hacker News? This site is supposed to be for good-faith conversation, not smiting enemies. I realize other people don't behave well either, but taking that as license to respond in kind or worse is the wrong way to react here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by dang »

asabjorn wrote: post #299
rectang wrote: post #296

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You want me to explain how I'm not a McCarthyite? Why not ask something more civil, like "When did you stop beating your wife?"

I am asking you to answer the questions I posed instead of making counteraccusations. If you make a good argument I am happy to listen and change my position. Denying everything, never admitting to what other observe even if it might have merit, and making counteraccusations instead of answering direct questions that are reasonable does not make a position any more correct. This kind of tactic to avoid shining light…

Would you also please stop perpetuating flamewars on Hacker News? This site is supposed to be for good-faith conversation, not smiting enemies. I realize other people don't behave well either, but taking that as license to respond in kind or worse is exactly the wrong way to react here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re: Stuff You Can't Say in Silicon Valley

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Post by rectang »

dang wrote: post #305
rectang wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want me to explain how I'm not a McCarthyite? Why not ask something more civil, like "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Would you please stop perpetuating flamewars on Hacker News? This site is supposed to be for good-faith conversation, not smiting enemies. I realize other people don't behave well either, but taking that as license to respond in kind or worse is the wrong way to react here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Its unfortunate that I have troubled you, Dan. I'll reevaluate how I engage (or not) on threads like these.
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