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USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by smsm42 »

vilmosi wrote: post #282
smsm42 wrote: post #247

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And you are supporting this claim with... "oh please"? You want to prove US education system is inadequate to supply the workforce for technological companies, I believe it is not so, US has very good supply of necessary talent in the field. Please produce your evidence why you think it is not so.

Oh come on, every study puts the US in a mediocre position in education within the OECD. That's not a debate.

What is "position in education"? I notice that's the third person making claims without backing them up or even substantiating them enough to be verifyable ("US school sucks" is not verifyable, "US schools ranked number N according to metric M published by organization O" is). I don't know where these people are educated so not sure whether I can take it as anecdotal evidence to either side...

Also protip: "this is not a debate" doesn't make you automatically win a debate.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by 1024core »

rrhd wrote: post #162
1024core wrote: post #50

The solution is simple: rank the H1B applicants by descending order of wages, and take the top 65K. Period. Done. End of story. No more abuse.

What about professions that just pay lower? If 100k is well above market for a profession it's still not particularly high for a software dev.

But H1Bs are not meant to get _cheap_ labor; they're meant for _impossible to find_ labor.

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Post by smsm42 »

Cyph0n wrote: post #280
evgen wrote: post #269

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Kinda hard when other, more lucrative, sports steal most of your domestic talent. There is a reason the women's team is dominant in a way that then men's team is not, but the fact that a good US player really has to leave the country and take a gamble that most US collegiate athletes do not require does not help.

Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense. You just can't make excuses anymore. What happened this time around is beyond acceptable imo. Iceland, with a population of ~300,000, was able to qualify in (arguably) the toughest region in the world. The US has about 1000 people for every Icelandic citizen, and yet we couldn't even qualify in (arguably) the EASIEST region in the world. I'm simply dumbfounded by how bad the US…

Nobody (within small margin of error) cares for soccer in the US. So, no good team.

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Post by sctb »

cat199 wrote: post #140
majormajor wrote: post #38

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What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about.

By modern dem logic, JFK would be a facist - nationalistic, america-first policies - socially conservative - womanizing - served in military - against homosexuals - wanted to get rid of the fed - invaded other countries to fight communism

Please don't troll like this here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by Cyph0n »

smsm42 wrote: post #303
Cyph0n wrote: post #280

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Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense. You just can't make excuses anymore. What happened this time around is beyond acceptable imo. Iceland, with a population of ~300,000, was able to qualify in (arguably) the toughest region in the world. The US has about 1000 people for every Icelandic citizen, and yet we couldn't even qualify in (arguably) the EASIEST region in the world. I'm simply dumbfounded by how bad the US…

Nobody (within small margin of error) cares for soccer in the US. So, no good team.

Tell that to the ~50,000 people who attend basically every Atlanta United game.

The thing is, we aren't just "bad": we're terrible by any standard out there. It's borderline pitiful. And look at how good the women's team is...

One of my "countries of origin" has basically qualified at least (Tunisia). Now we wait for Australia...

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by calvinbhai »

davidw wrote: post #74
xraystyle wrote: post #30

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The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

The logical remedy would be to eliminate the lock the employer has on these people so that they can get competitive offers and see their salaries bid up to something better.

You'll never see the tech titans ask for this option, while they are busy portraying themselves as pro-immigrant :)

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by refurb »

sumitgt wrote: post #18
pram wrote: post #10

So now they’re just doing what was supposed to have been happening the entire time? I’m having difficulty sympathizing with these companies and lawyers when all they have to do is apparently file more paperwork.

It's not like that. Most top companies do detailed paperwork. This causes other side effects and stress. For example, you could be working at Google / Facebook earning top $$$$ every year and you paperwork could be spotless. But the stress of having to go through an uncertain renewal process every 3 years prevents you from investing in big things like buying a house or having kids. You are always worried about being…

the "country of birth" based green limits ensure that you have to remain in H1-B status for 15 - 20 years (if you happen to be born in India)

You don't wait in H1B status, you get advanced parole which means you can stay and work until you green card has been processed.

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Post by calvinbhai »

abandonliberty wrote: post #296
davidw wrote: post #74

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The logical remedy would be to eliminate the lock the employer has on these people so that they can get competitive offers and see their salaries bid up to something better.

Compensation for H1Bs includes potential American citizenship. Depending where you're from, this can be worth a lot. Therefore these employees will still accept much lower pay from the employer for similar work

Since the big chunk of H1Bs are for people from India and China, Citizenship through employment is almost impossible for most of them, especially those born in India. This link explains the why and how very well http://7monthsvs70years.siia.us

People born elsewhere (other than China, India, Philippines) and are here on an H1b, are better off in terms of chances of getting a Green Card and a citizenship in a decent amount of time.

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Post by calvinbhai »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #229
davidw wrote: post #74

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The logical remedy would be to eliminate the lock the employer has on these people so that they can get competitive offers and see their salaries bid up to something better.

There is no lock. Once you have an H-1B, you can transfer as soon as you get another offer. The lock is on the J-1 and O-1 visas very popular at research orgs. That's where the true indentured servitude happens.

J-1 and O-1 have more shackles. H1b indeed restricts mobility.

IMO, a better law would be to give a green card with 3 yr validity to those on H1b. Then you'll see how the equation changes. Employees on H1b have very few choices due to these locks.

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Post by majormajor »

mywittyname wrote: post #236
addicted wrote: post #120

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Yeah because wanting someone who has worked in your company for 3-5 years and has an in depth knowledge of the job and the internal Dynamics of the company is obviously the exact equivalent of someone who has experience in the 3-4 specific headline technologies whether they are good or not at that is a terrible idea. The alternative of an H1B is not an American. It's off shoring the entire project to a team that does…

This is correct. I've been involved in these sorts of postings, and it was absolutely gamed. But for good reason: we already had the perfect person in the role and wanted to keep him. Imagine if there was a law that required companies to post job openings for every position in the company , regardless of whether or not that position was already filled. As you can imagine, they would likely make the job requirements e…

I don't disagree with this, but I think it indicates that the real problem lives earlier in the pipeline. Maybe we're having the wrong discussions?
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