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Post by tesin »

krrrh wrote: post #286
tesin wrote: post #269

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It's espresso, not expresso. Capsule is far more expensive over the it's lifetime than something like a Gaggia Classic. Capsules aren't anywhere near the quality of coffee shops, unless you're counting Dunkin.

> It's espresso, not expresso. Nitpick on your nitpick. While the word originated in Italy as espresso and that is mostly what we use in the English-speaking world, expresso is not totally uncommon and it's not necessarily a misspelling or folk-etymological error. French and Portuguese use the expresso variation for instance, and the x spelling is considered 're-latinized'. Depending on where you live the beverage ma…

I think that's giving too much credit - for most it's the same mistake as axe and ask (you a question).

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Post by saalweachter »

FICO wrote: post #245
na85 wrote: post #225

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Your point is valid, but recently here in Canada there was a recall on contaminated flour. Can't remember if it was anthrax or E Coli. Your eyes/nose won't pick up bacteria in the flour.

Sure, food recalls happen all the time. However, they are selling as a subscription service- they know what packets they shipped you. If there's a recall they should email you, snail mail you, and automatically issue you a refund on your credit card. WiFi is beyond overkill.

I'll say this -- and I'm in the "this is a stupid fucking product" camp -- but I think sending updates to your appliances to keep you from using bad food is actually the right way to go.

I barely read half my mail, snail or electronic. The chances I'm going to see and read and act on a "your food is bad!!!" email (assuming it doesn't get eaten by some filter) before I eat the food in question is low, low low. Some device getting the message and physically stopping me is really the only way to be sure.

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Post by fish_fan »

eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #285
FICO wrote: post #169

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Idk... I wouldn't want to have my oven on when I am not home- it might just be me but it seems dangerous to leave a hot oven unattended. I always check the oven before starting it to make sure it's empty. I guess I am somewhat paranoid that something somehow ended up in there. The rest of the stuff I, personally, don't see any value in other than energy efficiency and that doesn't really require networking. My fridge…

> I wouldn't want to have my oven on when I am not home- it might just be me but it seems dangerous to leave a hot oven unattended. Well, then you are in the market for an IoT oven that is connected to your phone and car. A device that can continuously track your phone and car location, and turn off the networked oven if you are outside the house.

Is there large demand for this? I just cook when I'm home and ensure to turn the oven off when I'm done. I'm sure there are people out there who appreciate the automation, but a) how many and b) how much would they pay for it?

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Post by fish_fan »

kenneth wrote: post #192
aoenht2nte8 wrote: post #70

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> The concept of food that's uniquely tagged and tracked from origin to consumption is pretty attractive - makes contamination a breeze to trace back, keeps you from cooking with rotten food since the machine knows to reject it, and it could automatically track what you've got in your kitchen to suggest recipes / restock for you. What makes you think people want those things? I certainly don't, and I've never heard a…

People are way too paranoid over things "going bad" -- typically if something is unhealthy to eat, you'll see it or smell it. The expiration date is meaningless… I eat eggs or dairy past its expiration all the time. Meat and fish that's gone bad gets real smelly, there's very little chance you accidentally won't notice.

Part of the problem is that it isn't an expiration date, it's a use-by date. They imply entirely different things, and it is great for consumers because it provides real penalties for selling bad food.

That said, people need to be a lot more literate in this sense.

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Post by gehwartzen »

nickparker wrote: post #233
frobozz wrote: post #122

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> keeps you from cooking with rotten food If only we had some kind of olfactory or optical equipment stuck on the front of our faces that could help determine the rottenness or mouldiness of food. Failing that, perhaps producers of packaged food could use some kind of common standard system to inform consumers of the date by which the food should be used by, or before which it might be at its best.

Fair criticisms, but I maintain we're going to end up tracking our food eventually. It's just going to get cheaper, and there are real upsides IMO. Wrote this because I got in a similar conversation on twitter: https://medium.com/@nickparkerprint/in-defense-of-juicero-an...

The thing is that all you need is a sticker on each piece of food with a unique QR code or an rfid tag containing all the expiration, source, and lot numbers. The consumer can just scan everything and get any necessary info about expiration dates and recalls if they want. Nothing very complex there and certainly doesn't require any fancy kitchen gadgets just a industry agreed on labeling standard.

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Post by trentmb »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #84
petra wrote: post #77

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I think the future of food is different - it's about restaurant quality meals, for cheap, large selection, with zero effort. maybe via online ordering, maybe Whole-foods/Walmart. And you may need some fancy oven like combi-oven or solid-state microwave. And even if we're talking cuts of meat, i think technology like MATS(microwave assisted thermal sterilization) may give you high quality meat that doesn't spoil for v…

> restaurant quality meals, for cheap, large selection, with zero effort If this were ever to happen - and what I know of food chemistry makes me strongly skeptical - you would definitely see it in actual restaurants way before you get it at home. Because for a restaurant, if you can effectively replace a human costing >$40k/yr with a change in supply chain and a fancy machine, you can easily afford to pay $40k for t…

Sous-vide?

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Post by gehwartzen »

Spivak wrote: post #104
flyinghamster wrote: post #88

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Let's call it what it is: the Internet of Rent-Seeking. As far as I'm concerned, I want my appliances to NOT be networked.

We should probably split hairs here. I would love for all of my appliances to be networked -- just not on the public internet. - Preheat the oven as I'm driving home - Alert me when my laundry/dishes are done - Alert me if my air filter needs replaced. - Manage my AC/Heating for maximum energy efficiency. - Real time energy usage monitoring. - Turn on/off lights when I arrive/leave.

I must be the completely wrong target consumer but I just see so little value in all of this to warent any expense and security risk of the appliances being networked.

Oven preheating: takes 15 minutes when I get home barely enough time to prepare whatever I'm putting in there.

Loud dry/dishes alerts: I don't see how it's useful. If I'm not home it doesn't matter to me if the laundry or dishes are done or not as I can't do anything about it.

Any filter changes: almost all either work on specific timing intervals, so just set 5 years worth of reminders in your phone, or they detect pressure differentials and a service light can just turn on when the machine needs a new filter.

Manage AC for max efficiency: nothing a programmable thermostat can't handle unless you have really crazy schedules but even then the savings are minuscule.

Turning on/off lights: okey, could be useful.

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Post by [deleted] »

repiret wrote: post #140
keerthiko wrote: post #73

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If it knows when and where for everything about an ingredient, it probably also knows the tagged expiry/best-before. It's easy to play it safe and just reject everything past expiry, even if it need not actually have gone bad. And consumers who prioritize contamination safety (not everyone believes expiry dates, but many do) can respect that. There are cases where something can go bad before its expiry date, due to i…

But fresh fruit in particular doesn't rot at a uniform rate. You can pick two peaches from the same tree at the same time with the same appereant ripeness, store them in identical conditions, and have them go bad on different days.

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Post by gehwartzen »

amelius wrote: post #87
bllguo wrote: post #71

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Interesting concept... Tracking what you have to suggest recipes or restock - that's the feature that seems most appealing. But I don't think you need a network like you describe to accomplish that. You could have a "smart" fridge or some other device that can catalog your food for you thru imaging and scans. Hell, you could just input a list you type up yourself. Like you say, Amazon could easily do this. They alrea…

> Hell, you could just input a list you type up yourself. If you put that much effort into it, then you can just as well remember what you need to buy when.

Or the industry could standardize receipts so that they can just be scanned into the fridge.

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Post by gehwartzen »

rdl wrote: post #241
ogreface wrote: post #156

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Rollers were my immediate thought as to how to get the juice out. Would love one of their engineers to chime in and talk about the reasons they built it that way.

The AvE teardown mentioned this. It does give you uniform force across the entire work surface, which is theoretically superior, but I think it's a case where a 5% improvement in results does not warrant 75% increase in BOM cost and design, at least in v1 of a relatively virgin market (if the market were flooded with roller systems, you could possibly differentiate with a press based 1.0, but no need to do that out t…

There is nothing complicated about squeezing something out of a bag with with uniform pressure. The book press / screw press has existed since the first century AD.

Here is a 'juicero' that you can fill with whatever chopped fruit you want and get the same/better results:

https://www.amazon.com/Fruit-Press-Italian-Stainless-Brewcra...

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