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I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

The answer to this is fairly straightforward: VCs don't actually expect (or need) every investment to be successful, they just need it to have the potential to be huge if everything works out. Laypeople always seem shocked when a VC-funded company implodes. We should actually be surprised if we didn't see routine flame-outs, as that would mean VCs aren't taking on appropriate quantities of risk for the asset class. A…

It's not that a VC company failed, it's that the entire idea looks completely ridiculous from the start.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Are they shutting down using a super-complicated completely over engineered method of shutting down, or the regular way?

As funny as this thread of jokes was (and it was; I had a good laugh), I don't come to HN for jokes. I come for interesting, deep, and intelligent discussions. I don't find much value in amusing jokes… isn't that what we have Facebook or Reddit for?

It's true that the joke chain actually does violate the terms of hacker news. It's very likely that a mod will remove the comments within a short amount of time.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble is, I've always thought Juicero was a bank shot for digitized food in general. If that's the case, they needed to be serving consumers not businesses. The concept of food that's uniquely tagged and tracked from origin to consumption is pretty attractive - makes contamination a breeze to trace back, keeps you from cooking with rotten food since the machine knows to reject it, and it could automatically tra…

> keeps you from cooking with rotten food If only we had some kind of olfactory or optical equipment stuck on the front of our faces that could help determine the rottenness or mouldiness of food. Failing that, perhaps producers of packaged food could use some kind of common standard system to inform consumers of the date by which the food should be used by, or before which it might be at its best.

Fair criticisms, but I maintain we're going to end up tracking our food eventually. It's just going to get cheaper, and there are real upsides IMO.

Wrote this because I got in a similar conversation on twitter: https://medium.com/@nickparkerprint/in-defense-of-juicero-an...

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

#234

I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

The answer to this is fairly straightforward: VCs don't actually expect (or need) every investment to be successful, they just need it to have the potential to be huge if everything works out. Laypeople always seem shocked when a VC-funded company implodes. We should actually be surprised if we didn't see routine flame-outs, as that would mean VCs aren't taking on appropriate quantities of risk for the asset class. A…

I think people are less shocked that a VC-funded company imploded and more shocked that none of the investors seemed to see the impending implosion off on the distance.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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post #229

I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

I think what makes it frustrating is all the times people with honest good ideas walk out of investor meetings with nothing but empty promises. There doesn't appear to be any specific meritocracy or guidelines in the venture market, not even a chance to make money!

Huh. It's almost like it's not a meritocracy at all.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

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I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

You see a juice shop sprout at every corner of your yuppie neighborhood, and you read about the success of Keurig, who married the coffee machine with the consumer-level printer, which allows you to control which consumables go into your machine, and you think that this can somehow be translated to said fresh juice craze.

So I don't think it's completely crazy. But a back-of-the-envelope calculation should have shown that it's probably not a great idea.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

#238

I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

What I don’t understand is how they flopped after getting so much publicity?

Was the price too high? Didn’t manage to turn PR against them? Was it designed to fail?

I think the product is awesome in every possible way.

The model worked for Nespresso (Kruger or smth in US), printers, dishwashers, Soylent, etc.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

#239

I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

You see a juice shop sprout at every corner of your yuppie neighborhood, and you read about the success of Keurig, who married the coffee machine with the consumer-level printer, which allows you to control which consumables go into your machine, and you think that this can somehow be translated to said fresh juice craze. So I don't think it's completely crazy. But a back-of-the-envelope calculation should have shown…

Juice is not addictive as caffeine, perhaps that’s why.

Re: Juicero Is Shutting Down

#240

I simply do not understand the mindset of silicon valley investors. I used to think that perhaps they had some edge that helped them to get behind successful companies, but looking at this -- how much money they raised and from whom -- I think that there are just a bunch of people who have so much money that they can afford to risk throwing it away on something that will not likely succeed. Can someone watch the vide…

You see a juice shop sprout at every corner of your yuppie neighborhood, and you read about the success of Keurig, who married the coffee machine with the consumer-level printer, which allows you to control which consumables go into your machine, and you think that this can somehow be translated to said fresh juice craze. So I don't think it's completely crazy. But a back-of-the-envelope calculation should have shown…

The parallel to Keurig is a key piece of insight. Investors see "Coffee -> Starbucks -> Kerrig", and think "Juice -> Jamba -> $$$".
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