Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down • Hacker News Board

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by swyx » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:15 PM UTC

driverdan wrote: post #136

panorama wrote: post #80

It always frustrates me when commenters are overwhelmingly undereducated about a topic but continue to make broad, sweeping generalizations. There's a ton of negativity, outright assuming, and misinformation being thrown around here. It happens in every bootcamp-related thread (and topics in other subjects of course). No, not every bootcamp was legit. No, making assumptions about all bootcamps based on a handful of b…

As a hiring manager who reviewed many bootcamps and interviewed bootcamp grads, DBC was top tier. I hired a few DBC graduates. The people who went through their program tended to be extremely smart and motivated. The program itself was very thorough and demanding. Out of all the bootcamps I expected to fold DBC was at the bottom of the list.

i think this is a bit of a legacy reputation issue. as some commenters explained above the nature of DBC has changed a lot since Kaplan took over.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by swyx » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:16 PM UTC

chrshawkes wrote: post #150

watwut wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bootcamps are threats to ego. If it turns out that random person can do the same with three months of study, then one is not such a huge exceptional genius as one would like to believe. A lot of the negativity is insecurity.

What a lot of people fail to understand is working in React and Angular is no easier to get into with a CS degree than without one. Both technologies among the thousands of others change weekly and for that reason Bootcamps are damn near as effective training tool than anything else. Ego's do get hurt though.

what do you mean "change weekly"? if you mean minor semver nudges thats not material enough to be pertinent to the conversation

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by swyx » Sat, Jul 15, 2017, 10:19 PM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #189

DBC 2013 alumnus here. I'm super disappointed to hear this news. Although I could see it coming, because how often does this kind of thing NOT happen when a small company gets purchased by a larger corporation? DBC was quite an institution. As I've stated before, it's not about what they can teach you – it was simply an invaluable resource to allow those with ambition to figure out aspects of app development on their…

which aren't junk in your opinion?

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 18, 2017, 9:49 PM UTC

morgante wrote: post #289

bovitclan wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're free to ignore me, but I'll engage just once more. I read your comments and perceived that you were misunderstanding, and that I could present it in a way that would clarify things. I'm sorry that you felt patronized, but there is no shame in ignorance. I think you should be more open to people telling you that they have something to teach you; maybe I was wrong, and maybe this isn't the case for everyone, but…

You're missing the point. It's not about whether I'm "ignorant" about your points or am ashamed of said ignorance, it's that you should never assume you know more than someone else—especially if you barely know them. In my experience, there is never a benefit to assuming ignorance. Your original comment would have been much better without mentioning a "teachable moment." If you avoid assuming ignorance, then there ar…

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Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by bovitclan » Tue, Jul 18, 2017, 9:52 PM UTC

morgante wrote: post #289

bovitclan wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're free to ignore me, but I'll engage just once more. I read your comments and perceived that you were misunderstanding, and that I could present it in a way that would clarify things. I'm sorry that you felt patronized, but there is no shame in ignorance. I think you should be more open to people telling you that they have something to teach you; maybe I was wrong, and maybe this isn't the case for everyone, but…

You're missing the point. It's not about whether I'm "ignorant" about your points or am ashamed of said ignorance, it's that you should never assume you know more than someone else—especially if you barely know them. In my experience, there is never a benefit to assuming ignorance. Your original comment would have been much better without mentioning a "teachable moment." If you avoid assuming ignorance, then there ar…

I didn't assume ignorance, I observed it. I didn't mean to imply you were ashamed of being ignorant, what I meant is that it isn't an insult to tell someone that a moment is teachable, as we all have much to learn. I do apologize for framing my points in a way that was liable to be misinterpreted, and for not reading your argument closely enough. However, I'm not the only one missing something.

Best of luck, stranger.

Re: Dev Bootcamp Shutting Down

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Post by morgante » Wed, Jul 19, 2017, 3:56 PM UTC

bovitclan wrote: post #305

morgante wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the point. It's not about whether I'm "ignorant" about your points or am ashamed of said ignorance, it's that you should never assume you know more than someone else—especially if you barely know them. In my experience, there is never a benefit to assuming ignorance. Your original comment would have been much better without mentioning a "teachable moment." If you avoid assuming ignorance, then there ar…

I didn't assume ignorance, I observed it. I didn't mean to imply you were ashamed of being ignorant, what I meant is that it isn't an insult to tell someone that a moment is teachable, as we all have much to learn. I do apologize for framing my points in a way that was liable to be misinterpreted, and for not reading your argument closely enough. However, I'm not the only one missing something. Best of luck, stranger…

> I didn't assume ignorance, I observed it.

Correction: you observed that I did not mention certain facts. From that observation, you have no way of knowing whether I am ignorant of said facts or simply don't agree with you on their importance ot the issue at hand.