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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by burntrelish1273 »

y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

I'm an American, an SAR member and don't support this xenophobic, regressive isolationism. What made America great was a fairly liberal policy of accepting most immigrants. Turning people off silently loses potential talent, entrepreneurs, investors and tourist money that will go elsewhere. This situation is unacceptable and un-American.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by dllthomas »

oAlbe wrote: post #201
humanrebar wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. I think that is kind of silly but that's the thought process of the Trump voters I talk to. I can't comment about your personal experiences in small town America other than to say that my experience is very different and that referring to areas epithetically (1)…

> [...] most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. That is not a valid argument by any possible mean. Everybody has the right to vote whatever they want of course, but saying what you said is like saying "people eat meat to piss off vegans more than because they like it". And regardless, the driving motive of something doesn't change the end result of such something. People need to take…

> saying what you said is like saying "people eat meat to piss off vegans more than because they like it"

Or... it's nothing like that?

I mean, I get the impression that some portion of people did vote for Trump to piss people off, but that's not what the parent was talking about. Saying that they "voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump" means they cast a vote to avoid what they saw as the worse outcome.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by dllthomas »

yodon wrote: post #287
humanrebar wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I voted for a third party candidate. I know many who voted down ticket and left the presidential ballot blank. And it doesn't make sense, but I can understand why someone would feel like not voting at all out of disgust.

I suspect I'm not alone in wishing you had cast your vote in a way that mattered. Hopefully in hindsight it's clear no one "listened" to your deep moral convictions (or whatever) that led you to vote for that third party or to led your friends to vote blank top of ballot entries. You simply fell prey to a focused disinformation campaign that actively tried to prevent intelligent voters from voting and that worked, pr…

Before you get lecturey, maybe make sure parent was voting in a place where casting a different vote had a chance of directly mattering?

My third party vote in CA arguably has a bigger effect than a major party vote in CA, for the presidency in the general election.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by pizza »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #215
oblio wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has generally been quite isolationist. Both before WW1 and before WW2 there were really strong isolationist currents in US politics. I think that it's part of the "Chine syndrome": they're big, kind of isolated and mostly self-sufficient (or perceive themselves to be so). People seem to have forgotten that the US opening during and after WW2 turned the US into the world's #1 super power. I guess it's hard to l…

>The US has generally been quite isolationist. Complete propaganda, the US tried to avoid European wars while profiting off them as much as possible. During this, they conquered huge areas of Native American, Mexican, Asian, and South American lands.

The US has intervened in geopolitics time after time, and US companies own an especially high percent of world-wide wealth. It's hard to argue we're actually isolationist.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by pizza »

svantana wrote: post #157
op00to wrote: post #143

Please don't say "Americans" don't want foreigners on our soil. A minority of Americans allowed a hostile foreign government to manipulate our election process to raise a corrupt, compromised bigot to power. Most Americans want our country to be open and free. Painting every American this way does nothing to recognize the misery of this situation.

Well things were not much better under Obama. In the last ten years, I've had European friends denied entry, or even detained for hours on end, for the most innocuous of reasons. And regardless of what "most Americans" want, they clearly don't want it enough to make it a mainstream political issue.

Yup.

- W brought us the magnificent theatre of Homeland Security

- Clinton cut legal immigration by nearly half

- Reagan made employers "attest to their immigration status", and a crime to hire undocumented people knowingly

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by odbol_ »

geff82 wrote: post #53
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

As someone who just filled out their DS-160 visa application and paid money for the application and now being left alone due to the new "travel ban" (wife and mother in law Iranian) I just say: let this country be alone for a while. I don't know when the US government (and the voters) will gain back consciousness and be part of the international community again in a positive way. Other countries are much more open ri…

We'll start to come around once our economy tanks because all the smart people are getting banned from entering...

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by vsl »

stephenr wrote: post #212
bythckr wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which website is NOT US-centric? The whole internet is US centric like Reddit, stackoverflow, quora, XDA, 4chan. All the major sites are based in US. Honestly, which are the non US-centric sites in English language?

Anything from Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, a decent chunk of content from mainland Europe (where English is a very common second language, and is used extensively as a common language when dealing with those in other countries)..

Yes. Name some with comparable global reach.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by vsl »

op00to wrote: post #143

Please don't say "Americans" don't want foreigners on our soil. A minority of Americans allowed a hostile foreign government to manipulate our election process to raise a corrupt, compromised bigot to power. Most Americans want our country to be open and free. Painting every American this way does nothing to recognize the misery of this situation.

You seem to be unaware that these policies are in effect for years, including, oh the shock, during Obama. As a non-US person, I'm acutely aware of how risky traveling to US on visa always was (it's actually better these days, you'll turned away on your local airport, not after flying to NYC) and how legally immigrating was and is all but impossible.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by dragonwriter »

kogepathic wrote: post #210
humanrebar wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. I think that is kind of silly but that's the thought process of the Trump voters I talk to. I can't comment about your personal experiences in small town America other than to say that my experience is very different and that referring to areas epithetically (1)…

> Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. You cannot claim that people who didn't vote don't support Trump (or vice versa, don't support Hillary). There simply isn't any data to support this. > Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. Citation needed.

> You cannot claim that people who didn't vote don't support Trump

Irrelevant. What is relevant is that you can't claim that people that didn't vote at all aactually voted for Trump, which is necessary to support the upthread claim that nearly half of Americans voted for Trump. Less than 1/5 of Americans, and less than 1/3 of registered voters, voted for Trump.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by dragonwriter »

philipps wrote: post #171
dredmorbius wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, roughly 63 million votes, of a population of 325 million, were cast for #45. That is 19% of the total population. Reliable sources inform me that this may in fact be significantly less than half of all Americans. The notion of the nutcase fringe in politics has been around for a while -- there's about 20% of the vote you've got to be very aware of. Where other voters are insuff…

The percentage of eligible voters (not total population) who selected Trump is somewhere around 26/27%, but more importantly, in a democracy, not voting is also a decision one needs to take responsibility for.

> in a democracy, not voting is also a decision one needs to take responsibility for.

Yes, but it's a different decision than voting for candidate X. Facts matter in criticism.

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