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Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by philipps »

dredmorbius wrote: post #108
nickserv wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost all Americans think this sort of thing is nonsense. But the average American has little standing to hold the American bureaucracy accountable for its nonsense. Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. > Americans, especially outside overcrowded urban areas, are courteous, helpful, hospitable people that are very tolerant of other people and ideas. I've found qu…

In the 2016 U.S. Presidential election, roughly 63 million votes, of a population of 325 million, were cast for #45. That is 19% of the total population. Reliable sources inform me that this may in fact be significantly less than half of all Americans. The notion of the nutcase fringe in politics has been around for a while -- there's about 20% of the vote you've got to be very aware of. Where other voters are insuff…

The percentage of eligible voters (not total population) who selected Trump is somewhere around 26/27%, but more importantly, in a democracy, not voting is also a decision one needs to take responsibility for.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by humanrebar »

zimpenfish wrote: post #161
humanrebar wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean Kennedy? Or do you have any sources on the Roberts rumor? That's not something I have heard.

You are correct - I meant Kennedy. My apologies - I was reading something that included both of them immediately before commenting and my brain conflated the two.

We'll, to be fair Kennedy has been a bit of a freebie for the left. He was appointed by a Republican but only votes that way sometimes.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by chx »

oblio wrote: post #67
y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

The US has generally been quite isolationist. Both before WW1 and before WW2 there were really strong isolationist currents in US politics. I think that it's part of the "Chine syndrome": they're big, kind of isolated and mostly self-sufficient (or perceive themselves to be so). People seem to have forgotten that the US opening during and after WW2 turned the US into the world's #1 super power. I guess it's hard to l…

https://twitter.com/touchmybobby/status/833156775931174912

> as a job-stealing immigrant, I now have 36 jobs and counting. I keep them in my basement like some kind of job dragon. what you gonna do

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by ubernostrum »

germanier wrote: post #166
ubernostrum wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ESTA is the system which determines eligibility for the Visa Waiver Program. That is the sole and entire purpose of ESTA. That is why ESTA was created. Your comment that VWP existed earlier is not a disproof of this and has zero relevance. As such, your mention of that gives an extremely strong indication that you do not in fact understand what it is you are arguing about. ESTA's purpose is to determine eligibility f…

I feel like I am repeating myself. When ESTA was introduced, only a single requirement was added: "You need to fill out that online form". Somehow, the eligibility was determined before it was introduced. The things you list (nationality, passport validity, ...) are all easily checked before boarding by airlines. This happens everywhere in the world, for all kinds of destinations. An online form is not a reliable way…

Yes, somehow eligibility was determined before ESTA existed. Now ESTA exists, and ESTA is the thing that determines eligibility.

I do not see how this is relevant in any way, or even what it is you are trying to tell me I'm wrong about, because every time I tell you how the system works you go running off to some irrelevant other thing. Please either explain clearly what point you are trying to make, or stop.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by ckastner »

ubernostrum wrote: post #111
ckastner wrote: post #57

What puzzles me is that the ESTA application was approved in the first place. If they were going to deny him entry, why approve it? Could there be a more benign explanation for this issue? For example: his ESTA approval expired (it's valid for two years), or the data entered on the ESTA form did not exactly match his passport data (special characters, middle names, etc.)

The online ESTA form does not "approve" someone to enter the US. The online ESTA form is required to determine if you're in a population that's generally eligible for visa-free entry (so that the airline and other systems know whether to require a visa for you). Filling out the ESTA form does not grant a visa, does not grant the right to enter the US, and does not even guarantee you'll be allowed onto the plane. It s…

> The online ESTA form does not "approve" someone to enter the US

I did not claim that it did. I was speaking only of the ESTA application itself.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by fnj »

0x0 wrote: post #159

Would it be possible to change the license of cURL to one that denies usage inside the US? :P

If you have control of the copyright, yes, you could change the license from straight GPL to any kind of customized license you want. I guess you could restrict access to any group you want. But if it's open source, it would be pretty difficult to enforce your policy.

Even if you closed the source, ruining it for linux, what good would that do? The cat is out of the bag already. Anybody could just use the existing open source and fork it further as they wish.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by theboywho »

alkonaut wrote: post #169
theboywho wrote: post #100

People suggesting to move conferences to other countries like France or Germany are wrong: you can't guarantee that your country is not going to turn into a US-like isolationist in the future. The US wasn't and your country is also only 1-government away from being one. What we probably need is a new form of portable conferences where the location doesn't matter and/or is flexible and/or regime-proof. We should stop…

Umm just have the conference in a place that has a good climate for travel now . It's not like someone is arguing to have the conference in France because they will be a friendly democracy forever. Just now.

> It's not like someone is arguing to have the conference in France...

Not sure if you have read the comments but unless I'm mistaken that's exactly what people are pushing for: EU being a final solution to the US issue.

> Just have the conference in a place that has a good climate for travel now.

That's exactly the spirit of my suggestion for portable conferences, because I don't know if you are familiar with how conferences are organised but the location has always been constant in most of them, and it's even the defining point for some.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by samolang »

y0ghur7_xxx wrote: post #40

This may be unpopular on an US-centric site like HN, but the US looks more and more like they want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world: very strict immigration policy, travelers molested by TSA on airports, ... These conferences where people around the world meet should start to be hosted somewhere else. Not in the USA anymore. Somewhere in a country that welcomes people instead of treating all of them l…

> very strict immigration policy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by alkonaut »

theboywho wrote: post #177
alkonaut wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm just have the conference in a place that has a good climate for travel now . It's not like someone is arguing to have the conference in France because they will be a friendly democracy forever. Just now.

> It's not like someone is arguing to have the conference in France... Not sure if you have read the comments but unless I'm mistaken that's exactly what people are pushing for: EU being a final solution to the US issue. > Just have the conference in a place that has a good climate for travel now. That's exactly the spirit of my suggestion for portable conferences, because I don't know if you are familiar with how co…

Maybe I was unclear: I mean't it's not like someone is arguing to have the conference in france forever. Just to have it somewhere where travel is easy now. Then next year where travel is easy then.

So yes - US conferences basically need to change to portable, fast. At least temporarily.

Re: Author of cURL denied entry to the USA

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Post by croon »

humanrebar wrote: post #107
nickserv wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Almost all Americans think this sort of thing is nonsense. But the average American has little standing to hold the American bureaucracy accountable for its nonsense. Sorry but they don't get off that easy when almost half of them voted Trump into office. > Americans, especially outside overcrowded urban areas, are courteous, helpful, hospitable people that are very tolerant of other people and ideas. I've found qu…

Half didn't vote for Trump. Look again at the turnout rates. Also keep in mind that most "Trump voters" voted against Clinton more than they voted for Trump. I think that is kind of silly but that's the thought process of the Trump voters I talk to. I can't comment about your personal experiences in small town America other than to say that my experience is very different and that referring to areas epithetically (1)…

Americans as individuals are generally quite friendly, regardless of city.

Let me ask you a loaded question though: Are you white?

I am, and have had only good experiences both in NYC, LA, SF as well as a bunch of small towns.

If you are not white, or dress differently, or are transgender, I can guarantee you which of a small town or a big city would be more embracing. (On aggregate, there are of course outliers on both sides)

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