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Video Games Are Boring

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Yep Minecraft was a good one but it lacks narrative. I do play Minecraft anyway but I would like to put more emphasis on the simulation.

Well, the minecraft I played had a chapter where a guy got overconfident and continued building during the night. He ended up having a creeper blow up and have a ton of skeletons invade his house. He had to escape, near death. It took him a week to take his house back. In the endhe mourned his dead pet pig, and erected a monument in his memory. :) Just because it doesn't have a "set in stone" story, that doen's mean…

To be fair, that's not a story so much as an event.

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One of the main problems with single-player video games is that a lot of people work alone and don't want to spend their free time doing something that feels kind of like work, but doesn't seem to offer much in return. They'd rather spend their time socializing or doing something that will improve them in an obvious way. A personal anecdote - I loved single-player video games until I was 18, but I stopped cold at tha…

I think your close to an important point.

A lot of video games are designed to satisfy our desire to be accomplishing things. I think if you already have things in your life you are working towards then these kinds of video games don't have much of an appeal.

I used to spend a lot of time playing video games, and one of the things that allowed me to break away from it was realizing I was using video games as a proxy for accomplishment in real life.

I think this one of the reasons games like diablo are more appealing when we are younger some of as kids/teens don't have things we prefer to do with the time.

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This may not be a hugely valuable contribution to the discussion, nevertheless ...

A. Game value is in the eye of the beholder.

B. What takes my eye changes over long and short terms (as a function of spare time available, economic circumstance, hardware at hand, effort/reward ratio, but mostly the ever-intangible "what takes my fancy at this point in time" - a reflection of my personal psychology that also changes over time).

C. At best you can please some of the people some of the time.

I'll admit that I'm of an age where I lost the capacity to devote bunch-of-hours-per-day to gaming just as MUDs were becoming really popular. I think as a result I never really got into massively multi-player gaming. I've played Diablo III - but single player.

My favourite games of all time include (in no particular order):

- Moon Cresta (table-top)

- The Hobbit (C64, cassette)

- Nethack (VAX VMS)

- Impossible Mission (C64)

- Balance of Power (C64)

- Bards Tale I (C64)

- Dune (Amiga)

- Elite (Amiga)

- Nethack (PC)

- Need for Speed: Most Wanted (original) (Mac, via Wine)

- Diablo III (Mac)

- Nethack (Mac)

- Backgammon (iOS - at least 10K games played on this sucker! I had to delete it!)

- Nethack (iOS)

Lately, I've been really getting into Really Bad Chess (iOS). Was never a chess player but it's is a clever wrinkle on this (for me) very boring (i.e. too hard) game.

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i really like this guys thoughts on looking at the fundamentals of video games and disectining what they really are. there are a lot of good points. but jesus christ this guy is so brainwashed with liberal politics i can barely read the damn thing.

"Few women, for example, are going to play a video game with terrible portrayals of women. They say things like 'they insult me/my demographic.'"

so oblivion was popular with mostly men because it depicted females terribly? show me one example. perfect dark was popular mostly among men because it depicted women terribly? skyrim didnt have enough strong nord women? morrowind was filled with female tropes? skinny dunmer in slutty g strings in every town? there is one strip club in vivec, yes. but i dont think women bought the game and then returned it because they found out about the strip club.

yeah, there are some games like dead or alive or street fighter that have women who are well endowed. but you dont see people saying that women dont watch movies because every female actor in every movie ever is well endowed, and they are. or because most heroes are men. thats ridiculous.

believe me, im more of a feminist than most people. well endowed women in movies and video games, posters and bill boards, are poison in our society. this focus and obsession with perfect looks and thin figures creates a very unhealthy environment for little girls growing up. comparing yourself and rating yourself all the time must have a terrible impact on girls. and there are numerous other ways in which society fucks over females. but while i am a feminist, i am also allergic to bullshit. perhaps the worst combination ever in this day and age. and people bringing down the whole video game industry and saying that women dont play games because of sexist representations of women is pretty much bullshit. its like anita sarkisian saying that hitman was a game about murdering women. its a topic that attracts a lot of bullshit.

on an unrelated note: how could this female friend of his enjoy bonding with her female companion when she doesnt like swords or fighting or anything like that? what did she do? sit around clicking on the same conversation options over and over again? she must have, at some point, enjoyed going on quests with her and fighting with her. so if you take out the fighting, you just get a movie where you go along, discover more of the plot slowly and maybe talk to your companion about things. in other words a thinly veiled movie.

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So - can the games industry be saved, or does it need to get "disrupted"? From the outside it definitely looks like it has the same problem as the movie industry, that is lots of money going into large conservative projects, where change is perceived as pure risk and little upside. To be honest the article itself put me off first with the "white male" stuff, but I must admit that it sums up mostly what I feel about g…

Let me turn this on its head.

The industry is building games for what market research tells it is wanted by people who play their games. The claim is that part of the market is not being targeted, and this is a group of women who do not define themselves as gamers, nor are they interested in gaming.

It is quite possible that there is no unserved market.

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For those who don't like typical games, you might enjoy theme park builders, city builders or simulators. They have gaming elements, but are mainly about designing and using your imagination and skill with the tools provided.

I'm currently enjoying Planet Coaster. If I had kids I would be granting them more "screen time" if they played these applications rather than shooters. For younger kids, titles such as Minecraft fall into this category too. Having something to show after countless hours of playing is always better than not having anything to show.

That said, who isn't guilty of sinking hundreds of hours into nothing more than thrills and rank in some action/sport game.

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Part of the problem is that it's easier to implement a competition/kill/survive mechanism than to add realistic interpersonal social dynamics. If you want to avoid competition or at least killing things, you'll have to be a lot more creative. It's (relatively) much easier to find an audience for a film or book that is focused on dialogue, social interactions, and whatnot, than it is to do so for a game. I applaud eff…

Tetris was a blockbuster hit without realistic interpersonal dynamics.

Yes. Yes it was.

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Simple - don't buy AAA (apart from very few select titles) because 99% of those is rehashed garbage and cliches Buy gamess from small studios, made by a few people or even one guy, usually a lot of them are in Steam Early Access (yes, it is risky, some of them get abandoned or just never improve much) For me this is like a reneissance in gaming. Have a look at Factorio, Starbound, Rimworld, Banished, Pillars of Etern…

I've been playing XCom2 a lot recently, and it occurred to me that I was caring waaay too much about my soldiers. Then it occurred to me that actually the part of the game I was enjoying most was looking after my soldiers. I have a sniper that never hits anything, ever, and I've started having little pep talk with her before each mission, trying to get her to buck her game up and be a useful member of the team. Shoot…

You might like Invisible Inc. It's a turn-based sneaking/spy game and one of the few recent games that I played straight through with no 'guilt' afterwards.

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> Growing up You might want to edit that to "people change", since that's what it sounds you meant, instead of a phrase that evokes "becoming more mature/adult".

Nope. Its "growing up", most people who did skateboarding at their teens don't do it after growing up; saying "people change" is too vague, if you say "growing up" you are clearly pointing out that it was something they did as youngsters but not any more; and language exists for the sake of clarity and communications, so "growing up" is a good choice here.

I picked up skateboarding again in my twenties after not skateboarding since middle school. Places where people discuss skateboarding online are filled with these kinds of people. Meanwhile I've lost interest in video games at the moment, but I still believe I will pick them up again at some point. I tend to switch hobbies, trying to find what I like. My interest in particular things can fade in and out. That's why I think "growing tired", "losing interest" or "moving on to other things" are better descriptors than "growing up".

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I've been playing games since Commodore 64. I've played through Amiga, early PC, Playstation, etc games. The problem is that gaming became an industry and the companies behind AAA games want you to spend as much time playing their game as possible. The 100% fun of Chaos Engine which took 4 hours became 150 hours of boring side-questing (I look at you Skyrim). The somach-wrenching action of Freespace 2 became endless…

> What I would really love to see is something like Dwarf Fortress which is __very__ deep but combersome in a neat package Have you looked at Terraria? Also, you mentioned Freespace 2. I'm doing a self-funded project where I'm building an MMO space game aimed at deeply emergent gameplay. http://www.emergencevector.com

Yes I actually bought it but it didn't cut it for me. :(
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