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Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by avtar »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #121
jasonkostempski wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to get this setup going a while back but I'm usually stuck on Windows for most of the day. I got Bash on Windows setup this weekend and I think I'm going to give it another shot.

Nevermind, bash on windows sucks for Emacs. The very first thing I tried to do was set a mark (c-space) and it doesn't work. Maybe there's a workaround but it's just not worth the effort. I'll get myself 100% on Linux one of these days :/

> Nevermind, bash on windows sucks for Emacs. The very first thing I tried to do was set a mark (c-space) and it doesn't work. Maybe there's a workaround but it's just not worth the effort.

https://github.com/Microsoft/BashOnWindows/issues/639

I haven't found a workaround yet and still use Linux VMs for a lot of tasks.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by nxc18 »

jlg23 wrote: post #248
wcunning wrote: post #105

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GMail once ate (bypassed spam and instantly deleted it, silently) an email filled with travel itinerary for an interview, causing me to miss the flight booked for me and the company I was interviewing with to have to book a second one (~$1k). If you find this hard to believe, go check your spam folder and see how many emails you have. Do you think you're really only getting ~1 spam message a day? This is the dark sid…

> bypassed spam and instantly deleted it, silently Do you have any proof for that - I don't want to see it in detail, but I cannot remember a single incidence where my mail was just silently eaten by google? But I agree with what you said implicitly: gmail should let users chose between "move to spam", "only flag as spam" and "simply delete"; I share your pain of having to go through the spam-folder to find the one m…

From the end user's perspective, silently putting email in 'you are evil' classification isn't much different from just deleting.

I'd rather get spam once in awhile than turn my spam folder into a de facto secondary inbox.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by viraptor »

tirefire wrote: post #265
kennell wrote: post #251

The most important step for folks that wish to break free for Google: start using a custom domain name as soon as possible. Because the hard part is not moving from one email service provider to another, but getting your new email address in everybody's address books and changing all your site logins. And if you love your Gmail interface and all the goodies that come with it, thats fine. Get a 1 user Google Apps acco…

You have to be careful with that. If an attacker can gain access to your DNS provider, then they have access to your email: à la https://medium.com/@N/how-i-lost-my-50-000-twitter-username-...

And if they get into your email account on gmail, you lose your email account. (possibly permamently) Just evaluate and choose your risks.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by frabcus »

rfrey wrote: post #65

My business uses Fastmail, and I'm mostly happy with it. The one thing I notice every day though, is the spam detection. I start each day by marking 10-15 messages as spam. That's been the case for three years, and I don't seem to be making headway on training their spam filter. It's a small thing, takes me all of 10 seconds, but I do notice it, every morning.

Worth following all the instructions on https://www.fastmail.com/help/receive/stopspam.html

I found pointing my MX records straight at Fastmail helped a lot with spam. See "If you use your own domain" in those instructions.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by brongondwana »

lorenzhs wrote: post #6
bartkappenburg wrote: post #3

"I do have FastMail’s Android app on my telephone. The app is a Cordova / PhoneGap / CrossWalk style unit with real-time email push and notification via Google Cloud Messaging (this is a relatively energy-efficient way for android phones to get push notification and is natively supported by FastMail)." Migrating away from GMail for privacy reasons and he still ends up with Google for functionality...

Do you know what data is transmitted via GCM? It could be a simple "hey check your email" ping to trigger a sync. I doubt the message size allows for much more anyway. It might also be encrypted, whatever it contains.

It's just an edge trigger - pretty much a modseq counter on the entire user (though we have plans to split it up into categories a little more so you know if it's just a calendar change or just an email arrival)

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by robotresearcher »

0x0 wrote: post #249
joshuak wrote: post #233

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This is demonstrably not true. Just send mail to an email list that you are on. The email will be sent (confirm with other list members), however you will not receive it when it is relayed to the group by the listserver. (Or was your comment tongue-in-cheek?)

That's actually an incredibly annoying fallout of gmail's deduplication that cannot be disabled. I believe gmail de-duplicates your list echo because it sees a copy in your sent folder. I wish it could be disabled :-/

Agreed. Whenever I mail a list if I have an important message I have to ask someone if the message appeared or not. I can't verify by receiving my own copy. I use mail lists every day.

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by [deleted] »

0x0 wrote: post #249
joshuak wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is demonstrably not true. Just send mail to an email list that you are on. The email will be sent (confirm with other list members), however you will not receive it when it is relayed to the group by the listserver. (Or was your comment tongue-in-cheek?)

That's actually an incredibly annoying fallout of gmail's deduplication that cannot be disabled. I believe gmail de-duplicates your list echo because it sees a copy in your sent folder. I wish it could be disabled :-/

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Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by tribby »

0xmohit wrote: post #224
dublinben wrote: post #191

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Hushmail should be considered compromised. They have turned over plaintext emails to US law enforcement in the past.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail#Compromises_to_email_...

Thanks, this is interesting. So, ProtonMail [0] and Tutanota [1] appear to be better choices. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProtonMail [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutanota

On the data-privacy front, you may also be interested in Unseen[0], which has servers in Iceland, and Lelantos[1], which routes over Tor. I haven't used either service but they've come recommended. ProtonMail looks interesting.

[0] https://unseen.is/

[1] http://lelantoss7bcnwbv.onion/

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by robotresearcher »

josephg wrote: post #66
unicornporn wrote: post #18

Lately I've been looking at some paid email options as I'm not happy with the offering over at Yahoo, Google, Microsoft or AOL. I wonder why they're all quite expensive. Fastmail is $40 a year, and that's for 15 GB. I would need at least 20 GB (which means I'm looking at $120 a year). 15 GB is free over at Google. Does that mean my data is really worth $40 a year to them. I do realize this is oversimplifying things..…

I have about 20gb of messages in gmail that I'm considering moving too. But really, I can't think of a single time I've needed to look at a message that was more than a couple of years old. Running your own email server, getting around spam blockers and blocking incoming spam all sounds like a pain. My plan is to move to fastmail but and only migrate across the last year or so of messages. Google's data liberation fr…

Why delete from Google? They already crawled the hell out of it. You don't have much privacy to lose from them, even if they actually do delete the messages.

There is some risk that your gmail gets compromised in the future I suppose, but the chances of your backup being borked might compete with that.

I plan to move away from gmail but I'll probably keep the old stuff there. Convince me otherwise!

Re: Moving 12 years of email from GMail to FastMail

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Post by jrnichols »

scholia wrote: post #145
jeffmould wrote: post #107

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Actually I have a huge issue with Gmail spam filters being over aggressive. Replies to my own emails often find their way to my spam box. I check the spam folder daily and notice at least 5-10 emails that are not spam getting sucked in. Even if I mark them Not Spam, the next day an email from the same address will end up right back there.

I have the same problem. At one time, more than half the Gmail spambox was legitimate email, so I had to check it every day. (It was so bad, I kept screen grabs as evidence.) This year, things got much better for a few months, and now they are getting worse again....

I definitely had this problem. I moved from a metal server to a VPS which had a different IP address, and it's taken probably 3 months to finally have a decent enough email reputation so that Gmail isn't automatically dumping email into spam. And you have to drill down to even get to that Spam folder too.

It was at the point where I really couldn't effectively communicate with anyone on gmail because of that. The answer I kept getting was "Well, why don't you just use Gmail instead of your own email stuff?" It's kind of scary to me sometimes just how well Google has managed to get people to equate email with Gmail.

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