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Re: California's skyrocketing housing costs, taxes prompt exodus of residents

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sk8ingdom wrote: post #164
aphextron wrote: post #39

When people saying housing costs are out of control in California, really they mean the bay area. Every other part of the state is no worse than anywhere else.

This is objectively not true [1] and has the same sort of arrogance that frustrates people who live in other areas of the state. Is the cost of living ridiculous? Absolutely, but the higher-than-average salaries at least help compensate. Consider, for example, San Diego [2], which is considered the worst city for long term wealth accumulation in the entire USA. 1. http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/California/ 2. http…

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Post by overcast »

HillaryBriss wrote: post #266
overcast wrote: post #13

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Is there anyone FROM California anymore? I'm guessing that sentiment comes from the type that are attracted to the entertainment industry.

Yes. Millions and millions. Just curious: if you work in the tech industry, is your impression that the tech industry in CA is populated mostly by people who came from outside the state?

From and outsider, yes, that is the impression a lot of us get.

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Post by hans »

It also seems like there's no push from the buy side, in CA we're all sheep. likely b/c there is no community so the rent-taking can wratchet up all day long.

I think if people en masse began to reject extortion rent we could have a situation. This never seems to happen but it would be a spectacle: thousands of 160k/yr workers decide to camp in tents until rents subside, all camped out in the streets in a section of Sf.

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Post by ArkyBeagle »

sn9 wrote: post #295
ArkyBeagle wrote: post #273

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Perhaps it's a character defect, but I consider "the life of the mind" to be more about books than something involving other people directly, face to face. The philosopher kings of SiVa are as much the Medici as they are intellectuals. "All mankind's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room." - Blaise Pascal.

There's value in face-to-face interactions and conversations like meetups and hacker spaces or math circles for kids.

Absolutely, but it all really comes down to homework.

Guidance can help, tools can help, but it's not like those will replace just doing the work.

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Post by iofj »

sbardle wrote: post #165
iofj wrote: post #134

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Given that interest rates are 0.25% and inflation (non-core, the one you'll be paying) is >3% ... what is your alternative ? A pension is the only chance you have of a decent life when you get old. There is nothing else.

I'm hoping Basic Income will be up and running by the time I hit my late 60s.

But the "basic income" proposals are completely unrealistic. The real proposals, generally referred to as "helicopter money" are about just forgiving central-bank owned government debt, then using the free cash to embark on large infrastructure projects.

You won't see any of that cash unless you're involved in the building industry.

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Post by GFischer »

brooklyndavs wrote: post #105
api wrote: post #92

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I've seen the "alpha cities" phenomenon explode since 2000. Where you live has become a proxy for your competence, importance, etc. I'm not convinced it's not the Internet. Google "FOMO" for a possible mechanism. The Internet makes it easy for large cities, by sheer social mass, to send out a louder cultural signal and convince everyone else they are missing something by not being there. Talk to a young midwesterner…

"Opportunity clusters in cities where there is capital available, and those tend to be the big cities where the most rich people live." Which, in 2016, is kinda crazy. One would think with the internet being geographically close to capital wouldn't matter as much. Now it matters more than ever before it seems. It's sad that the young midwesterner (hey that was me once!) has to try to "get to NYC" for the best opportu…

I currently work remote (kind of), and have worked remote in the past.

My perception is that it's much harder to get trusted and valued as a remote worker, unless you have the luck to be in a very meritocratic company (and I don't think it's possible to be 100% meritocratic).

Social interactions are key for all but the most technical of positions (and even then, there's social dynamics at work, only through papers or mailing lists or whatever).

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Post by planteen »

Kalium wrote: post #181
musha68k wrote: post #127

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I don't know when the wave actually broke but I was very disillusioned by the vibes of the bay area when I stayed for GDC in 2009. It seemed like they drove out most of the hippies a long time ago, more often than not people were just acting , very superficially and with a creepy adherence to a lost cultural heritage that felt more like selling out ( get your shrink-wrapped Jerry Garcia T-shirt and GTFO ). To make th…

The hippies either aged out or bought property decades ago. They were a real thing for a couple of years at most. The rest is myopic and ignorant nostalgia.

Boulder seems like this, too.

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Post by jrnichols »

overcast wrote: post #13
abduhl wrote: post #7

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I move around and travel a lot for work - I've lived in 4 states in the last 2 years (CO, WA, CA, TX) - and one of the universal things across all the midwest and west coast that I've found is that while most people like the weather/scenery in California EVERYONE hates people from California, except for the people in California. I've heard the saying "California would be great if it wasn't for the people" in literall…

Is there anyone FROM California anymore? I'm guessing that sentiment comes from the type that are attracted to the entertainment industry.

Born there, spent many years there too. Moved out a few years ago.

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Post by pixl97 »

superswordfish wrote: post #241
hx87 wrote: post #229

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Most Texans, let alone Californians fleeing high prices, don't have to worry about such things. Besides, the death penalty isn't exactly a negative if the alternative is life in (a Texas) prison.

Perhaps I'm alone in deriving small comfort in the knowledge that even if I were framed or otherwise unjustly convicted for the most atrocious of crimes, this would not be my fate (though the federal government showed in MA, for instance, with the Boston Marathon bomber, that they will override humane state law; you're never truly safe in the US). The knowledge that a gross miscarriage of justice could land me in "he…

While our death row is an issue, you are something like ten to twenty thousand times more likely to die at the hands of our idiot drivers here in Texas. So keeping a sense of perspective is important.

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Post by tropo »

yardie wrote: post #113
shawndumas wrote: post #70

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South FL has some truly awful schools; that was my comparison.

I just moved back here. I can confirm. Now looking for an exit strategy.

Go just a bit north. The line you must cross is between Pompano Beach and Deerfield Beach. Stay south of Cocoa Beach.

Ideally you'd be near Melbourne, preferably closer to the beach. Suitable towns: Melbourne Beach, Indialantic, Satellite Beach

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