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Re: Sabbath mode

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What if you push the button really slowly, so that it's a thermodynamically an adiabatic process? As you release the button equally slowly, it does an equal amount of work on you. The process has been thermodynamically reversed, so all is cool! (The irreversible state change in the button-driven machine, arguably, increased entropy, though, ouch. Maybe not!)

You have to slip and fall on the button.

Can you ask someone to press it for you?

Re: Sabbath mode

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Disclaimer: I'm Jewish and religious, but not Orthodox; I don't worry about sabbath mode as I have no problem turning on an oven during shabbat; it's not work. That said, if you ask Orthodox Jews, they will say it's not circumventing the laws about shabbat. Rather, it's keeping the laws of shabbat -- avoiding all forms of work -- while still living in the modern world. To circumvent the law would be to find a way tha…

To extend on parent comment: What you call "circumvent your religion's practices", ie building complicated logical arguments or creating new categories and distinctions to re-interpret existing law is considered as a significant part of Jewish religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#Pilpul In that aspect, Judaism is very different from, say, Christianity.

Or quite a few Jews who lived prior to the invention of Rabbinic Judaism.

Re: Sabbath mode

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This app[0] made the rounds last year and caused a bit of a stir: it keeps your android phone's battery at a constant state, prevents the screen from turning off, and flips the screen orientation, all of which from a disconnected interpretation of halacha should be permissible. Problem is, any touch to the screen completes a circuit (one of the prohibited categories of work) so the whole thing is a bit ridiculous anyway.

[0] http://shabbosapp.com/how-it-works/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEDHi09oyXY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_App

Re: Sabbath mode

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post #16
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I'm Jewish and religious, but not Orthodox; I don't worry about sabbath mode as I have no problem turning on an oven during shabbat; it's not work. That said, if you ask Orthodox Jews, they will say it's not circumventing the laws about shabbat. Rather, it's keeping the laws of shabbat -- avoiding all forms of work -- while still living in the modern world. To circumvent the law would be to find a way tha…

To extend on parent comment: What you call "circumvent your religion's practices", ie building complicated logical arguments or creating new categories and distinctions to re-interpret existing law is considered as a significant part of Jewish religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#Pilpul In that aspect, Judaism is very different from, say, Christianity.

Well (and I hate reply spamming here but I keep thinking of new things) The Talmud and Mishnah were written hundreds of years after the birth of Jesus. And in the first century, the Pharisees (or proto-Rabbinics, or whatever) were only one sect amongst many. So yes, Christianity followed on a different path than Judaism.

Re: Sabbath mode

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This app[0] made the rounds last year and caused a bit of a stir: it keeps your android phone's battery at a constant state, prevents the screen from turning off, and flips the screen orientation, all of which from a disconnected interpretation of halacha should be permissible. Problem is, any touch to the screen completes a circuit (one of the prohibited categories of work) so the whole thing is a bit ridiculous any…

AFAIK, capactive touch screens are permisable from a Jewish law standpoint. For example [1] which is a phone for use on shabbat and uses capactive buttons to avoid closing a circuit.

[1] http://www.zomet.org.il/eng/?CategoryID=249&ArticleID=99

Re: Sabbath mode

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to slip and fall on the button.

Can you ask someone to press it for you?

It depends on your interpretation of rabbinic law. In most cases the answer would be no (since you're still causing the effect by your actions), but some frum families used to employ a shabbos goy [0] to light candles, do shopping, cook, etc. Any action is permissible if it was going to happen anyway, but you get into degrees of technicality of the definition of "what was going to happen anyway".

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

Re: Sabbath mode

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Somewhat related: B&H, an electronics store in New York owned by Hasidic Jews not only closes its brick & mortar store on Saturdays, but its website as well: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ Screenshot for anyone looking at this after 8:30 EDT today: https://i.imgur.com/XvZHDXA.png

Do they actually explain on their website why they do this? I've spent some time in the past looking without success.

Here's a theory. If the site had an issue, they would be unable to do anything about it that day. Could be too much of a liability, so they shut it down.

Or maybe I'm applying too much thought to it.

Re: Sabbath mode

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post #33

This app[0] made the rounds last year and caused a bit of a stir: it keeps your android phone's battery at a constant state, prevents the screen from turning off, and flips the screen orientation, all of which from a disconnected interpretation of halacha should be permissible. Problem is, any touch to the screen completes a circuit (one of the prohibited categories of work) so the whole thing is a bit ridiculous any…

AFAIK, capactive touch screens are permisable from a Jewish law standpoint. For example [1] which is a phone for use on shabbat and uses capactive buttons to avoid closing a circuit. [1] http://www.zomet.org.il/eng/?CategoryID=249&ArticleID=99

It really depends on your definition of the 39 melakhot. Even the idea of "closing a circuit" being the same thing as "starting or tending a fire" is a modern invention, so some people abide and others don't.

In my opinion if you're closing a circuit you're closing a circuit, and capitative screens count. Others go so far as to disable thermostats since a person's very presence in a room affects the temperature by a few degrees and could trip the circuit. Depends how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go I guess.

Re: Sabbath mode

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post #23

Clever hack, but if you're coming up with ways to circumvent your religion's practices, are you really still practicing your religion?

The Jewish response to this that I've seen is pretty sensible: if God didn't want there to be loopholes then there wouldn't be any.

The same can be applied to everything, so God wants there to be sin. If God wanting sin to exist means that sin is fine, why are the loopholes necessary? Just sin. If God wanting sin to exist doesn't mean that sin is fine, then loopholes may also not be fine, even though they exist.
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