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Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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If you happen to work for one of the contractors in this program: I kindly ask you to think about your goals and your ideals for humanity. I used to work for a sub-contractor to the military-industrial complex. I quit for ethical reasons. Never looked back. Thank you.

You did well

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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More drone bashing, despite the fact drones are less likely to hit innocent people than manned aircraft, because drones can study a target for extended periods of time, where manned jets have just seconds. Edit: from the amount I've been down voted, I'm guess you'd be perfectly happy if a manned jet killed innocent people. If you continue drone bashing, you might succeed in making them use drones less frequently or e…

Send doctors, schools and money and not drones and people around the planet will love, not hate you. Very simple to understand.

That's literally a better use of the brain. But for some, it seems the "use of the brain" is turned off when is not about their own convenience.

I hope that were different

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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It is always intriguing that people in the West are so sheltered from the fact that this has been going on for over a decade. And they then are, not surprisingly, surprised that the people at the receiving end of this and those that are from the area are very upset about it. What if some other nation had been bombing remote villages in your country whilst attempting to target "terrorists and extremists", but often ki…

The links you posted reference Iraq, which was not a very nice place over the last decade. In many cases, a strong personality would emerge as a local leader. He'll usually have access to several small arms and enough money to feed and pay several dozen militia fighters. To legitimize his power he'll coordinate attacks on US personnel, usually ambushes, and make deals with people who have connections to global "terro…

Here's a better plan: stay out of other countries.

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it sounds compelling, such thought processes rarely drive Al Qaeda members or ISIS fighters. If you actually ask them, they say they are driven by their religion.[1] Obviously, airstrikes make it easier for them to hate us, but even if we did nothing but build schools and hospitals, they would try to kill us. This is evidenced by the fact that they behead aid workers and journalists from countries like France a…

Wow, I didn't expect to find such shameless propaganda on HN. Every single sentence is factually wrong and insulting to readers' intelligence here. If it's not obvious to someone: just read some actual interviews with radical muslims, purported reasoning by Bin Laden etc. - their reasons are always political, the US is targeted specifically because of all the death and destruction it has brought to the Middle East. J…

> Every single sentence is factually wrong

You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement.

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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When all you have is a weapon everything looks like a target. US are being irresponsible pricks playing with guns and technology that is obviously not well suited for this kind of threat assessment. Also $5,000 per family? Really? Even after admitting the error? The U.S. Special Forces, Military, CIA or whatever are that low on budget (hardly) or simply do not give a flying fuck?

On the other hand, in theatre, a false positive is better than the alternative for mission success. Just like anti-virus software. You're better off flagging calc.exe as a virus than letting a 'maybe' through.

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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There is unfortunately no way out of this mess. Every war makes new combatants to kill, and every war enriches the military-industrial complex. Now there are new enemies to kill, and new lobbying to justify killing. This creates more enemies, and enriches the defense industry further. And so on and on it goes.

This country is fucked.

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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If you happen to work for one of the contractors in this program: I kindly ask you to think about your goals and your ideals for humanity. I used to work for a sub-contractor to the military-industrial complex. I quit for ethical reasons. Never looked back. Thank you.

I applaud for doing that, and your request.

Reading that article was horrifying. One one side, the banality of it all. On the other... I can't even imagine what it was like to experience that, and I think I am happier that I can't.

The statement 'war is a game' has never been more true.

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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This is being done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia and probably other countries too - the U.S. is at war and no-one seems to have approved it or noticed. Personally I think it's terrible strategically as well as morally, and most of the regimes being backed by the policy are dubious at best. This will not end well.

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Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The links you posted reference Iraq, which was not a very nice place over the last decade. In many cases, a strong personality would emerge as a local leader. He'll usually have access to several small arms and enough money to feed and pay several dozen militia fighters. To legitimize his power he'll coordinate attacks on US personnel, usually ambushes, and make deals with people who have connections to global "terro…

Except that the US are the main cause for those bad guys being there in the first pace, as they waged war (with justifications that later proved worthless) against the dictator that was able to keep the area under control. So, what the US should do now in Iraq? I have no idea. What should they do in general and in the future? Stop messing with foreign countries, destabilizing governments and waging wars with the sill…

What the US should do now in Iraq is learn some restraint, diplomacy, and humility.

In other words, we should learn the lessons everybody but the military had already learned from Vietnam.

Re: Drones and the rise of the high tech assassins

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I didn't expect to find such shameless propaganda on HN. Every single sentence is factually wrong and insulting to readers' intelligence here. If it's not obvious to someone: just read some actual interviews with radical muslims, purported reasoning by Bin Laden etc. - their reasons are always political, the US is targeted specifically because of all the death and destruction it has brought to the Middle East. J…

> Every single sentence is factually wrong You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement.

> You don't believe ISIS would kill as many innocents as possible? It is practically their mission statement.

It's pointless to argue about statements containing words with highly subjective and arbitrary meanings like "innocents". Were the employees of the TV station the US bombed (with good precision and information!) in Serbia "innocent"? Of what crime were they guilty if not? The US apparently thought they weren't innocent. Who are we to claim the people brutally murdered by the IS are - to the IS - "innocent"?

The IS kills Japanese citizens because their government is "guilty". The US kills women and children because their high-tech drones aren't good enough and their information seems to be bad. Or so they've been saying for years, while still consciously deciding to use these weapons to said effect. While both are morally wrong, the latter is also disingenuous and not worthy of a civilized nation. It's the consequence of trying both to enforce the "right of the strongest" and to attempt to claim a moral high ground.

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