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Re: Dear Developers, We Think You’re Idiots, XOXO...Microsoft

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Post by moe » Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 6:56 PM UTC

thismat wrote: post #30

moe wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotical evidence is not needed when you can get hard figures; http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/08/31/august_2009_web... I find the "Totals for Active Servers Across All Domains"-graph at the bottom especially intriguing. Either Microsoft didn't pay their NetCraft-bill, or IIS is falling off a cliff here.

It's not anecdotical evidence, it was in question of this: "Until then I doubt anyone in their right mind would trust the creator of Internet Explorer and IIS with anything web related." So, from what I can gather, Spolsky and Attwood are: A) Out of their minds (possible?) B) Are limited and going to have issues since it's built on the Microsoft stack. Edit: Also, I didn't know if you knew SO was built on the Microso…

Yes, I knew SO was built on MS, Jeff is known as a Windows guy. Just tried to clarify that one swallow doesn't make a summer. For each windows based website I can show you five built on proper tooling (literally, if the netcraft figures are to be believed).

I wouldn't say the two are out of their minds. "Misguided" is more polite, I guess.

Re: Dear Developers, We Think You’re Idiots, XOXO...Microsoft

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Post by thismat » Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 7:18 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #31

thismat wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not anecdotical evidence, it was in question of this: "Until then I doubt anyone in their right mind would trust the creator of Internet Explorer and IIS with anything web related." So, from what I can gather, Spolsky and Attwood are: A) Out of their minds (possible?) B) Are limited and going to have issues since it's built on the Microsoft stack. Edit: Also, I didn't know if you knew SO was built on the Microso…

Yes, I knew SO was built on MS, Jeff is known as a Windows guy. Just tried to clarify that one swallow doesn't make a summer. For each windows based website I can show you five built on proper tooling (literally, if the netcraft figures are to be believed). I wouldn't say the two are out of their minds. "Misguided" is more polite, I guess.

hahaha, I can handle being misguided if I get to release two successful business ventures in my life.

In any case, I'm not arguing with you on the popularity of the two for sure, but I am happy MS is deciding to get their act together and really try to compete, however slow and small their steps are.

Edit: Okay you got me curious, why was this down modded? Was it outside the scope of the conversation? Or was it the comment about Spolsky and Attwood?

Re: Dear Developers, We Think You’re Idiots, XOXO...Microsoft

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Post by nopassrecover » Sat, Sep 26, 2009, 8:04 PM UTC

moe wrote: post #31

thismat wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not anecdotical evidence, it was in question of this: "Until then I doubt anyone in their right mind would trust the creator of Internet Explorer and IIS with anything web related." So, from what I can gather, Spolsky and Attwood are: A) Out of their minds (possible?) B) Are limited and going to have issues since it's built on the Microsoft stack. Edit: Also, I didn't know if you knew SO was built on the Microso…

Yes, I knew SO was built on MS, Jeff is known as a Windows guy. Just tried to clarify that one swallow doesn't make a summer. For each windows based website I can show you five built on proper tooling (literally, if the netcraft figures are to be believed). I wouldn't say the two are out of their minds. "Misguided" is more polite, I guess.

More stuff is written in java than lisp. Does this much java a better language by your definition?

Until you can show that using the new Microsoft technology we are talking about (and MVC has only just come out) actually increases development time by a significant factor or some other significant problem, labelling it "improper tooling" is simply identity-based Microsoft hate.