If its "Your data. Your privacy. You’re in control.".
Why won't they let me self-host? The two things don't add up.
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#32Looking at the Nest lineup, I was reminded of that adage: "Google is getting better at design faster than Apple is getting better at web services." Those products look damn good.
Of course they look good. They were designed by the Nest team, not by Google's own designers. Nest was an acquisition, and I can't see those guys getting involved in the huge challenge of making Google's other properties look good.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have noticed a trend among our friends, (not technical folks), who actually turns off their heating when they go out. It is as common as turning off their lights when they leave the room. I guess Nest is heading towards this direction, but pre-warming a house very "first-world".
Not to keep harping on the subject (see my comments above), but pre-warming or pre-cooling houses is actually a really great solution to solving our energy problems with algorithms. It's not strictly a "first world" problem. Imagine a neighborhood of 100 homes where you know all 100 people will return approximately at 6pm in the winter, and they all want 72 degrees. Taking into account the insulation of each home, if…
That is an interest way of distributing loading of the peak heating requirements. Does Nest have a ability to interact with the other Nest in the neighborhood? Or is it all controlled from a central server?
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#34It gets pretty interesting when you connect all the pieces Google now has.
You car has build in Android device. Your home is monitored and controlled with Nest devices. On your wrist you carry Android wearable. Google Glass tracks what you see. For online activities you use Google products (Chrome, Gmail, Calendar). You consume your media via Android table or Chromecast.
Google knows about your your car. It knows how you are doing, how much and when you exercise, when and how you sleep (vital signals via wearables). It could know who you are meeting with or what products you are browsing at grocery store or what you are reading from news paper (Google Glass). It knows and controls your home. It knows about your planned trips, about stuff you have ordered online (Gmail, Calendar).
One major area that is lacking is nutrition, monitoring what and how much I eat. Google Glass might help here (or products like Vessyl).
Interesting to see what they can make out of this.
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#35"Interesting" that they're avoiding supporting HomeKit. But given that the majority of Nest owners own iOS devices, it sure feels like a slap in the face. Supporting HomeKit would allow Siri integration, but I suppose Google probably wants voice control to themselves.
It was Apple that chose to make HomeKit a nonstandard, proprietary protocol for the purpose of locking people into iOS. You simply cannot fault Google for failing to fall in line with Apple's play for the market.
Putting HomeKit behind MFi is a barrier, but hardly one that should put Nest off the platform. The majority of their installed user base uses iOS. I kind of expected my Nests to last me 10+ years, but now I'm left wondering if I'll be replacing them sooner. (It's not clear to me how Nest's API is any more standard than HomeKit.)
Of course, from a business perspective this all makes sense. But as a customer, it's disappointing.
It doesn't feel coincidental to me that Nest will support geofencing and native voice control on Android while doing the same with an iOS device is likely to require the Google app and a Google account. You might see that as a win against "nonstandard" proprietary protocols but I don't see any upside for me.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wasting/saving energy is not as simple a calculation as that. When energy is at peak use (say in the winter, around 5:30/6:00 when everybody returns from work), it becomes more expensive for energy companies to procure the requisite energy needed. During these peak times, they often have to buy energy from other companies at a higher cost or find less efficient means of generating it (e.g. coal) to meet the demand. G…
I am not talking about wasting money, I am talking about the actual energy itself as money is more renewable than energy. Once it has been used, it is extremely difficult to get back. Thanks for the insight, btw.
> money is more renewable than energy
This is a nonsensical view of the concepts of value and money.
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#37I am a little bit unenthusiastic about Nest integration into the Mercedes Benz where it tells Nest to warm up the house prior to arrival. What a waste of energy! Is it so difficult for physical human body to endure some discomfort while the house warms up? Imagine thousands of household doing something similar. OK, there could be a use-case where the elderly is due to arrive home and needs the house to be at the righ…
People tend to waste energy when they're cold - it's the false savings of turning off the air-conditioner. You think you can bear it - until you absolutely can't, and immediately turn it to the highest setting you can because damn it you want it warm now. Then it's warm (or too hot) and you turn it off to cool down faster and...rinse repeat. For most people it's far more efficient to turn the air conditioner on to a…
For summer, we're lucky enough to live an a near-coastal region where 90 degree days are usually followed by 60-degree nights with decent evening winds - we used the AC 3-4 times this summer instead of the whole house fan (to avoid pulling in neighbor's BBQ smoke), but for the rest the fan is adequate.
In Winter, we use space heaters (new ceramic ones that start outputting heat in 10 seconds that are kid safe to touch) in the bedrooms and a very low central heat.
Of course we have over-standard insulation and trees nearby - anyone in a top floor of an apartment complex will most certainly be using AC almost every summer day (but probably not shivering at all during winters).
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
|| some kind of appstore I would imagine. Extrapolation != predicting the future. You can't just download an android app to fluff your pillows before you get home, it's about integrating the house with new devices. || if this fails This won't fail.
Consider: the vast majority of people who have money to spend on home automation have Apple products.
Yeah, but mine's got a crack on the screen. I stopped caring to notice it. It's a couple years old, hasn't had a new app installed on it in months, and is fulfilling many utility roles in my world.
I want something to excite me again.
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