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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by dmix »

teacup50 wrote: post #28
dmix wrote: post #2

Looks great. I've been extremely happy with Gnome UI after switching from OSX. It's fun being able to play with a desktop that is constantly improving on a rolling-release platforms like Arch Linux, where new updates stream in constantly. Instead of having to wait a year or more for big waterfall releases like OSX (Mavericks was also pretty disappointing). My only complaint is how every gnome upgrade the majority of…

If you need a churning time-consuming stream of updates, the software wasn't written well. I'm looking for an alternative to OS X, but I want a stable OS that I can use to get work done . If anything, Apple has been shipping too much broken software, too often. The last thing I want to do is switch to a platform that actually embraces pushing out a constant stream of poorly thought out features and a slew of regressi…

If you want a stable distro, then obviously Arch Linux isn't for you. I use Debian for production machines (ie. work laptops).

This is pretty much what everyone recommends re Arch.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by johnchristopher »

hrkristian wrote: post #16
Touche wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think people need a ton of shell extensions? What is missing from base?

I've got about ten extensions running, most of them I feel makes sense aren't in the base. The one exception is one modifying alt-tab behavior so it doesn't group programs on different workspaces together. Honestly, that's the one behavior I cannot understand exists in the first place, makes navigating by keyboard nigh impossible.

> The one exception is one modifying alt-tab behavior so it doesn't group programs on different workspaces together. Honestly, that's the one behavior I cannot understand exists in the first place, makes navigating by keyboard nigh impossible.

To each its own but I really like the fact I can alt-tab between all applications as I tend to stick one application per screen because I mostly use a 1024x600 monitor. Thinking about it can see how that would be a problem with larger resolutions though. You would have to mentally discard icons that aren't relevant to the screen you are looking at.

I like gnome but I think Unity solved that problem in a more elegant way (icons on the dock can recall any applications whatever the screen it's living on).

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by jifu »

In case there are some people who still avoid Gnome3 due to experiences from the early versions, I strongly recommend giving this one a chance. I myself was a Unity user for a couple of years because I liked the fact that they were trying to do something new. I had tried Gnome3 as well but the first versions were pretty messy. Now, though, after getting fed up with Canonical and switching to Manjaro (highly recommended as a fairly easy rolling release distro), I've been very positively surprised about Gnome's progress. It looks good, fits my usage patterns very well, and the minor annoyances I had were pretty much fixed via a couple of extensions.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by paulyg »

rufugee wrote: post #23
gtirloni wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

Barely usable? I'd hardly call it that. I find it very usable. I don't quite like the alt+tab default functionality, but barely usable is really a stretch. I find it a very productive environment with no extensions whatsoever. That said, I do use a few extensions, and I'm exploring writing ones as well. The fact that extensions are written in javascript is really nice (or awful, depending on how you feel about javasc…

For those complaining about the alt-tab thing maybe you don't know about alt-`. Alt-` cycles through windows/instances of the current app! I just learned about it two days ago and I've been using gnome 3 for a year (there is a lesson in there, why was this not publicized more?).

On a more general note put me in the camp that feels gnome is getting better and better every release. I like what they have done with the header bars. Very clean interface. Initially i did nit like Gnome 3. I gave Unity and Cinnamon fair shots, 3 months each. Neither wowed me. Then I gave Gnome 3 another chance (it was 3.4 by then) and have not looked back.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by paulyg »

hhsnopek wrote: post #4

So these updates are only available for Ubuntu 14.04 and other flavors? I'm unable to upgrade from 3.10 to 3.12

You probably won't see packages for Ubuntu 13.10 b/c that only has support for another 3 months. But I expect to see a PPA pop up for 14.04 since its an LTS release.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by zanny »

dmix wrote: post #31
teacup50 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you need a churning time-consuming stream of updates, the software wasn't written well. I'm looking for an alternative to OS X, but I want a stable OS that I can use to get work done . If anything, Apple has been shipping too much broken software, too often. The last thing I want to do is switch to a platform that actually embraces pushing out a constant stream of poorly thought out features and a slew of regressi…

If you want a stable distro, then obviously Arch Linux isn't for you. I use Debian for production machines (ie. work laptops). This is pretty much what everyone recommends re Arch.

I've had a lot of people use Manjaro and not run into issue. Packages are staggered enough that any bugs are usually found and sorted in the ~3 months between releases, but you never get into the Ubuntu 12.04 problem of "oh shit my system is so outdated everything will break if I dist-upgrade".

Debian testing is also similar.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by sinkasapa »

gtirloni wrote: post #6
dmix wrote: post #2

Looks great. I've been extremely happy with Gnome UI after switching from OSX. It's fun being able to play with a desktop that is constantly improving on a rolling-release platforms like Arch Linux, where new updates stream in constantly. Instead of having to wait a year or more for big waterfall releases like OSX (Mavericks was also pretty disappointing). My only complaint is how every gnome upgrade the majority of…

Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

These days what do you need other than a web browser, terminal emulator and text editor? Gnome is similar in usability to TWM and so it works. ;-)

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by amboar »

hrkristian wrote: post #16
Touche wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think people need a ton of shell extensions? What is missing from base?

I've got about ten extensions running, most of them I feel makes sense aren't in the base. The one exception is one modifying alt-tab behavior so it doesn't group programs on different workspaces together. Honestly, that's the one behavior I cannot understand exists in the first place, makes navigating by keyboard nigh impossible.

As paulyg mentioned above, you can use Alt-` (tilde) to cycle through multiple instances of an application after using Alt-Tab to select the group. I think it actually make the experience less tedious.
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